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  •  With all the turmoil (1+ / 0-)
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    FogCityJohn

    Perhaps this would be an opportune time to mend the schism- flip a coin and decide on leavened or unleavened bread.

    Small varmints, if you will.

    by aztecraingod on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:04:57 PM PST

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    •  Least of the Differences (5+ / 0-)

      Several Catholic Churches from around the world consecrate leavened bread during the Mass and take Communion in both species.  The doctrinal differences between the Catholic churches and the Orthodox churches can confound the most reasonable believer.  Principal of these is the a belief in whether the Holy Spirit proceeds with the Father and the Son or through the Father and the Son.  In part it all depends on how one can consider a triune God-head and just how it forms and exists.  In the Catholic churches, the Father existed, but since He is all knowing and powerful had a perfect image of Himself, which is the Son, and the interaction between the two is also a perfect being, the Holy Spirit.  The Orthodox churches don't hold the same view.  Hence the Great Schism.  Rome's allowing the Venetian-funded Fourth Crusade to sack and pillage Constantinople and place Venetian puppets on the Byzantine throne didn't help matters either.

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:41:00 PM PST

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      •  Ah yes, the "filioque" clause. (2+ / 0-)
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        happymisanthropy, Sharoney

        It's hard for me imagine that people have died over such an idiotic issue.  But this is hardly the only time religion has led people to kill each other over idiotic issues.

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:56:16 PM PST

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      •  Since U seem 2 kno of what U speak... (1+ / 0-)
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        LSophia

        ... can U confirm that the New Testament does not mention the word "TRINITY"?

        •  I know you're not asking me :) (0+ / 0-)

          but Tertullian, a theologian in the third century, is credited as being the first to use the term "Trinity" in reference to what Christians believe are the three persons of God:  Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier (aka Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

        •  Doctrine of the Trinity probably dates to the (3+ / 0-)
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          early 3rd century.
          It was codified by the Council of Nicea (in 325 AD, as I remember) in the statement of belief that became known as the Nicene Creed, and expanded in the Athanasian Creed.
          It became a handy way of weeding/snuffing out the heresy of monism, the belief that god was one being only.
          I have read that some early Church scholars regarded Islam as a sort of monist heresy.
          So no, the New Testament does not mention the word Trinity.
          In case you are interested, there are lots of fascinating books about the multiplicity of early Christian beliefs and gospels that didn't make it to the official canon.
          Proof that the winners get to write the history.

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