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  •  Weather is hard because chaos theory says it (43+ / 0-)

    will be hard. When I lived in Minnesota I got spoiled by relatively accurate weather. Of course we could see it coming from Alberta 3 days before it got there. Now that I live in the Puget Sound if two metro buses get in the wrong spot it can change the weather patterns and "light rain" turns into "5 inches of snow". You learn to adapt.

    You can't assassinate the character of any of modern conservative. You'd have to find where it was buried, dig it up, resurrect it, then kill it. And killing a zombie isn't really assassination, is it?

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:53:11 PM PST

    •  Not to mention that the entire city of Seattle (15+ / 0-)

      comes to an standstill as most of the population points to the sky and screams in horror "SNOWFLAKE!"

      The city is almost completely unprepared to deal with snowfall.

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        there were 3 inches of snow and ice a few years ago when I landed in Seattle after being turned away the night before due to 'weather'.  The drive from the airport to south sound was the worst road conditions I had ever had to deal with and I had lived in the midwest for a long time previously (Chicago, Indy, Cleveland).

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        by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:45:32 AM PST

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        •  It's all about preparedness (3+ / 0-)

          I'm in Chicago and earlier this winter we had a morning rush hour storm with maybe 2 inches of snow, but Rahm hadn't figured out you need to get the plows prepositioned so when I drove in the roads were basically untreated.

          I might as well have been in Dallas in a blizzard. It was ridiculous.  The only reason dozens didn't die from crashes is that we're used to driving in bad weather.

          By 10:00am the roads might as well have been dry and clear, but early in the morning it was a mess.

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          by nightsweat on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:31:46 AM PST

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            I honestly find it weird the chicago elected him Mayor.  The last really awful drive I remember when my parents lived in the burbs of chicago (hinsdale, Dad worked downtown as a federal trade specialist with dept of commerce thus my econ focus) was driving back to college at Purdue in W. Lafayette after the x-mas holidays.  It was 5-10 below zero with about 18 inches of snow but the roads had been cleared, I had to thaw out my radiator with a hair dryer as the antifreeze had frozen, got that going okay and started driving to I-65.  
            Around Gary, IN my heater froze and stopped working ... highway was clear but ended up driving (2 of us) with the windows down most of the way because the windows were icing from our breath inside the car and keeping the windows down kept the ice formation down.
            Needless to say it was the coldest drive ever ... but the roads were clear.
            Later that year we had -69 with windchill for a week in Indiana, it was warmer in Alaska than there.

            "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

            by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 07:03:01 AM PST

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      •  My nephew lived (4+ / 0-)
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        in MI all his life until moving to Seattle. His first winter there, they had a "snowstorm" that deposited a couple of inches of snow overnight. He proceeded to drive to work--no big deal. He was a little surprised to see no plows or salt trucks, and barely any traffic at all.

        He was the only guy at his workplace who showed up that morning. His coworkers were astounded that anyone would even attempt, much less succeed, at driving in such horrible weather conditions.

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        by happy camper on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:26:57 AM PST

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        •  Once in SW Michigan (2+ / 0-)
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          on the 6 PM news the weather guys forecast flurries overnight.  By 11, it was a possible light dusting, maybe as much as an inch in spots.

          We woke up to eleven inches.

          With those lake effect snows they just can't predict who's going to get how much.

          Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn

          by Ice Blue on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 07:25:09 AM PST

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      •  I was in Everett from '05 to '07 and one (2+ / 0-)
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        winter not only brought a decent amount of snow, but it kept melting and refreezing. I lived just off Evergreen Way, a major thoroughfare, and it was a sheet of ice. Being from Chicago, and having lived in NY, MA, and RI previously, I was okay with driving on snow--but nobody likes to drive on ice. The city of Everett apparently felt that if they closed their eyes and wished real hard, there would be no problem.

      •  my dad (1+ / 0-)
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        a Vermonter, went to school at UWash for a year.  He said he was amazed at how the city shut down when an inch of snow fell down.

        It's about time I changed my signature.

        by Khun David on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:09:50 AM PST

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    •  Tim Eyman's got a ballot initiative to ban snow (3+ / 0-)
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      Maybe that'll help. :-)

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      by kovie on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:06:46 AM PST

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    •  This wasn't a chaos theory problem (6+ / 0-)

      The models were wrong on the temperature of the air mass over New England and eastern Canada. They were very wrong. The air mass over New England was about 5 degrees F warmer than the models indicated.

      This temperature problem is serious because it's been happening all winter that forecasts error on the side of cold. They are failing to account for some source of additional warmth in the system, IMO.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

      by FishOutofWater on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:16:51 AM PST

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      •  I've noticed that as well. (2+ / 0-)
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        We were supposed to get wintry mix with the storm Tuesday night, and instead we got mostly rain.  The changeover from rain to snow was a bit late.  Upshot:  we got five inches of snow when we were expecting seven.

        One pattern I see quite a bit is when the models zero in on an unseasonable warm spell 5-7 days in advance between December and March.  Even though the 850 hPa temperatures are 10-12 C, the cloud-level humidity does not support overcast, warm-air advection is expected from warm areas and there is no snowpack, the fact that it's early December keeps forecasters from predicting the 66 - 72 F that the atmospheric conditions support.    They start with low 50s, then work their way through the fifties and into the sixties.  

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        by Yamaneko2 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:49:37 AM PST

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      •  the Euro seems to have nailed it. (1+ / 0-)
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        NAM/GFS, nope.

        I too have noticed the  cold bias in all models this winter. Looking forward to see how this gets addressed.

      •  In Michigan too... (1+ / 0-)
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        several times this winter, forecasts of snow have turned out to be rain instead. I have shoveled my driveway once this winter, mostly out of boredom. Crocuses began peeking out two weeks ago. I saw a bluebird last week, and sandhill cranes too.

        None of this is normal.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 07:18:43 AM PST

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      •  I noticed here in Wisconsin (0+ / 0-)

        we've normally been up to five degrees colder than what was in the forecast.

        Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn

        by Ice Blue on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 07:51:07 AM PST

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