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  •  Nothing so draconian (1+ / 0-)
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    Wood Dragon

    Two examples:

    I have a concealed carry permit, which required a background check including mental health records.  I am able to skip the point of sale background checks being sought.

    I legally bought a firearm from another individual in a private sale.  We drafted a dated bill of sale documenting who we were, carry permit numbers, description, serial number, and price.  We both have copies.

    This state also issues permits to purchase, but not carry, firearms.  The cost is $5 and the sheriff's office performs the background check.

    •  ok, so you would carry your bill of sale... (3+ / 0-)

      ...along with your gun. If asked, you'd present it. What happens if you don't have your bill of sale on ya?

      How does anyone looking at it know that the bill of sale is valid and the info is correct?

      How did ya know that the private gun seller is legit, or that the gun isn't stolen, that particular gun that you just purchased at the private sale?

      Cheers.

      •  I don't carry a bill of sale. I do carry my CHP (0+ / 0-)

        (Concealed Handgun Permit) as it is called in my state.  It is legally required whenever I have a concealed handgun on or about my person and I am not at home.

        I knew the seller was legit because he too had a valid CHP.

        Your point about knowing that the gun didn't have a stolen history is a very valid question that highlights a real part of the problem.  The records database to verify that a gun has not been stolen is NOT available to the public, only to LE.

        •  so, y'all don't know if the gun was stolen... (2+ / 0-)
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          LilithGardener, tytalus

          ...or whether it was legit.

          You just know that y'all both have a permit to carry a gun.

          And according to your previous comments, carry permit holders represent only 3-4% of gun owners.

          That leaves 96%...

          Cheers.

          •  You've reached the BINGO moment (0+ / 0-)

            "That won't work either".

            •  two people exchanging papers isn't much... (1+ / 0-)
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              LilithGardener

              ...of a record-keeping system.

              Afterall, we're talking about a type of device that people use to kill 30,000 people in the US annually.

              Cheers.

            •  Not quite (0+ / 0-)

              The issue is the transfer of guns into the hands or prohibited persons.

              If, as in your example, a current measure already doesn't work, then pointing out that it doesn't work is a statement of reality, not a prediction about the future.

              "That won't work" is a prediction about the future.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:01:27 PM PST

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