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  •  Launder is a process that gets things clean (2+ / 0-)

    I think using launder the way you do is confusing to a lot of people.

    Launder would be a way to make a dirty gun clean.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:06:58 AM PST

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    •  Hence my " markjs around launder, it is reverse (1+ / 0-)
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      and also perverse.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:17:59 AM PST

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    •  A win-win for the NRA, separate themselves from (0+ / 0-)

      "illegal" guns (on which they blame all the shootings/injuries/deaths) while increasing demand for their legal product (every gun "laundered" into an illegal gun decreases FFL inventory thus increasing demand).

      Don't forget that every illegal gun started its life as a happy legal gun.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:24:14 AM PST

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      •  I know what you mean and I agree with the (1+ / 0-)
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        message that every gun started off in the hands of a legal owner, I just don't think that particular phrase helps you make your argument.

        YMMV

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:34:37 AM PST

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        •  Thanks, I guess we need to find a good term for (0+ / 0-)

          how they turn a legal gun into an illegal one so that they can sell it in the illegal markets.

          Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

          by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:38:38 AM PST

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          •  I'll assert that an illegal gun is any gun that (1+ / 0-)
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            was purchased or used illegally.

            So that includes all gunshots, and violent crimes when a gun was used even if the gun wasn't discharged.

            The legal gun makes its transition to an illegal gun
            1) the first time it is sold to a prohibited person,
            2) the first time it is sold by someone who is required to perform a background check, but didn't bother to perform a background check,
            3) the first time it is the hands of an unsupervised minor child (children can't own guns)
            4) the first time a gun is sold to a pair of shoppers where one person fills out the paperwork while the other handles and selects which firearm to buy.
            5) the first time a gun is not reported lost or stolen within 48 hours.

            etc.

            It is not legal for a child to own a gun, therefore when a minor child shoots someone it was with an illegal gun that was left unsecured by a previously law abiding gun owner.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:10:36 AM PST

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          •  Here's a perfect example of how you focus.... (0+ / 0-)

            on the wrong thing.

            There is nothing illegal about the gun.  

            The illegality would be on the part of the people making unlawful transactions.

            Your hate-mail will be graded.

            by PavePusher on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:45:33 PM PST

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