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  •  A win-win for the NRA, separate themselves from (0+ / 0-)

    "illegal" guns (on which they blame all the shootings/injuries/deaths) while increasing demand for their legal product (every gun "laundered" into an illegal gun decreases FFL inventory thus increasing demand).

    Don't forget that every illegal gun started its life as a happy legal gun.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:24:14 AM PST

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    •  I know what you mean and I agree with the (1+ / 0-)
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      message that every gun started off in the hands of a legal owner, I just don't think that particular phrase helps you make your argument.

      YMMV

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:34:37 AM PST

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      •  Thanks, I guess we need to find a good term for (0+ / 0-)

        how they turn a legal gun into an illegal one so that they can sell it in the illegal markets.

        Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

        by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:38:38 AM PST

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        •  I'll assert that an illegal gun is any gun that (1+ / 0-)
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          was purchased or used illegally.

          So that includes all gunshots, and violent crimes when a gun was used even if the gun wasn't discharged.

          The legal gun makes its transition to an illegal gun
          1) the first time it is sold to a prohibited person,
          2) the first time it is sold by someone who is required to perform a background check, but didn't bother to perform a background check,
          3) the first time it is the hands of an unsupervised minor child (children can't own guns)
          4) the first time a gun is sold to a pair of shoppers where one person fills out the paperwork while the other handles and selects which firearm to buy.
          5) the first time a gun is not reported lost or stolen within 48 hours.

          etc.

          It is not legal for a child to own a gun, therefore when a minor child shoots someone it was with an illegal gun that was left unsecured by a previously law abiding gun owner.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:10:36 AM PST

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        •  Here's a perfect example of how you focus.... (0+ / 0-)

          on the wrong thing.

          There is nothing illegal about the gun.  

          The illegality would be on the part of the people making unlawful transactions.

          Your hate-mail will be graded.

          by PavePusher on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:45:33 PM PST

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