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  •  How do you know what this person's (0+ / 0-)

    encountered? If you've never seen an out of control person on a flight, you've been lucky. Pragmatic decisions aren't based on one person's luck.

    •  I made no comment on what he has seen. (1+ / 0-)
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      Please read carefully - I said you (generic not specific) are more likely to encounter a drunk on a sidewalk than in a plane.

      Speaking from my own experience, I have encountered hundreds of drunks on sidewalks, outside bars,inside bars and elsewhere. Does this make me unlucky?

      •  When you work on an airplane (4+ / 0-)

        You are more likely to encounter a variety of situations including drunks and crazies that even million miler passengers may never see.  

        In my 23 years as a FA I have personally had 2 violent drunk/drug flip outs and 2 mental breakdowns (one violent, one not.)

        Then there are the incidents I personally know of because they happened to my friends or were a big deal and my airline.

        So just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and if it does, I prefer they not have a knife.  Could they use a number of other objects as a weapon? Yes.  But lets not make it any easier for them.  Maybe a knife is their weapon of choice.

        I suppose since I'm a flight attendant I have a different perspective since flight attendants that were stabbed on 9/11.

        Betty Ong was crew on flight 11.  Here is her call to the ground after they were hijacked.

        https://www.youtube.com/...

        I know this won't happen again because of the cockpit security and passenger intervention. But my job is overall safety and that now includes dealing with potential knife wielding psychos. I guess my security training will be a little more multilayered starting next year.

        •  Sorry, I don't think this is true (3+ / 0-)
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          When you work on an airplane
          You are more likely to encounter a variety of situations including drunks and crazies that even million miler passengers may never see.
          Maybe you mean that you're more likely to have seen this type of behavior on an airplane that the rest of us, but I'm pretty sure you can be stabbed by a "knife wielding psycho" in pretty much any day-to-day situation you can think of...taxi, bus, school, work, grocery store, walk in the park, etc.

          Your risk of that happening on a plane as a flight attendant is probably no more (and I would guess even less) than any of the rest of us face in our day-to-day activities. Short of banning all knives, how are you going to prevent that?

          FAA regulations on weapons aren't meant to protect individual attendants or passengers simply because they're on a plane. They're intended to stop people from taking control of (or destroying) a plane full of people.

          •  The difference (1+ / 0-)
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            Is that it's a whole lot harder to run from a knife wielding psycho on an airplane.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:41:07 PM PST

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          •  Short of banning all knives? (1+ / 0-)
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            Isn't that what we're talking about?

            Tell me, just why does a passenger need a two-inch knife on a plane? They can't go two hours without whittling? They need a knife to clean their fingernails? They have an apple in their pocket that needs to be peeled?

            I just can't get over the comments on this thread that seem to imply that as long as a violent nutcase can't get control of the plane, it's just fine if he has a knife.

            The safety of the flight crew and other passengers be damned?

            Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

            by Sirenus on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 07:05:38 AM PST

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          •  I fly about 400,000 miles a year, (0+ / 0-)

            And have been flying commercially for 20 years.  Do the math.  You don't think I might see a little more than some "million miler"?

            "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

            by Bisbonian on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 12:48:35 PM PST

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          •  yes, I meant (0+ / 0-)

            that if you work on a plane you are more likely to see those situations on a plane - it was in response to an earlier post by someone here who said that he's flown millions of miles and has never had an irate passenger on one of his flights.

            I understand the intent of regulations on weapons.  I just don't happen to agree with the sole reason of that intent.  

      •  Unlucky? No. But maybe you should stay away (0+ / 0-)

        from bars.

        Hundreds of drunks? Wow.

        Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

        by Sirenus on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 07:00:45 AM PST

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