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  •  Has anybody... (2+ / 0-)
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    newdem1960, Batya the Toon

    Anywhere ever proved that one can produce a two-part explosive from two not explosive liquids on a plan without anybody knowing what is going on?  I have yet to see evidence that the liquid restriction is anything more than fear mongering.

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    by RichM on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:09:52 AM PST

    •  I remember the first week they banned liquids (2+ / 0-)
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      and I heard that the TSA personnel were pouring all the confiscated liquids into a single waste tank.

      Which is a hideously stupid thing to do with any liquids that you seriously think could be combined to form an explosive, because THEY WILL EXPLODE.  And take out a good part of the security line, and the guard who's doing it.

      Which means that they knew perfectly well that nothing they were confiscating was dangerous.  But they were confiscating it anyway.  Because reasons.

      •  Yeah, me too - I flew then too and (1+ / 0-)
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        was dumbfounded that the solution to this dire threat was to  do exactly what would ensure that the threat was realized  (if it really were a real threat) - i.e., mix all the explosive subparts into one, ensuring that one big ass explosion would take place in the very crowded terminal building.

        Upon a few minutes reflection (of which there was ample time to complete standing in the longer than usual line) it became 110% crystal clear that the entire thing was kabuki theater, or whatever it is that they call it.

      •  If some "ordinary" liquids... (0+ / 0-)

        ...were already poured into the waste tank, the dilution and messing up the chemistry may result little risk. (But, I'm not a chemist so I'm just guessing).

        Again, the goal isn't to protect the airport or its customers -- it's to avoid getting the explosives on a plane where they could be used to cause a crash into a populated area.

        By confiscating the liquids, they expect that no one will even try to bring them aboard so they probably assume that the stuff they were dumping out wasn't a binary explosive.

        If someone's goal was to blow up the area around the security checkpoint, they would probably just wear a well tested explosive suicide vest.

        •  I'm still astonished no one's done that yet. (0+ / 0-)

          But while the goal isn't to protect the airport or its customers, it is still incredibly stupid to prevent getting the explosives onto the plane in a way that will endanger the airport and its customers.

          Or that would endanger the airport and its customers, if there were any real chance that the stuff being poured out were dangerous.  Which there wasn't, and they knew it.

    •  It's nonsense! (1+ / 0-)
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      Nitroglycerin is very unstable. I cannot imagine pouring a huge quantity of it (say 4 oz) and jiggling it around. It would explode before you even got on the plane.

      I worked with IV bags of it and it had to be handled carefully. But it's like that guy trying to set his shoe on fire, it's not likely that it would work very well.

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      by vcmvo2 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:32:51 PM PST

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    •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

      Binary explosives can be mixed at your seat or in the toilet.

      At great personal risk, of course, but anyone intending to bring down a plane is presumed to accept that.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 12:10:31 AM PST

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    •  Especially since those liquids are bound (0+ / 0-)

      to be pungent.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 04:36:38 AM PST

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