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  •  Party needs new blood. I honor his decision (4+ / 0-)
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    and thank him for his service.

    "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

    by Mogolori on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:32:27 PM PST

    •  As long as they're not recruits (3+ / 0-)

      for Obama's veal pen - new legislators who let Obama raise funds for them, then turn into ConservaDems.  

      It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

      by Betty Pinson on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:43:57 PM PST

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        •  We've seen this trend grow (3+ / 0-)
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          It's part of the reason Dems are still not getting anything done in the Senate and, to some degree, in the House.

          Yes, sometimes these ConservaDems are as bad as Republicans when it comes to killing good legislation or preventing efforts to really fix the economy.  

          Carl Levin was someone who could be counted on to stand up for average Americans and vote in the best interest of citizens over corporations.  He was someone who, for example, works to prevent the WH and GOP from cutting SS via the chained CPI. Those kind of Dems are becoming rare in the Senate, we need as many as we can get.

          So yes, when it comes to policies that harm seniors and the least powerful among us, its a battle that has to be fought every day, legislator by legislator, candidate by candidate.

          It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

          by Betty Pinson on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:54:34 PM PST

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          •  Here are the Deemocratic Senators elected (5+ / 0-)

            since 2008: Mark Udall, Tom Udall, Jeanne Shaheen, Mark Warner, Kay Hagan, Jeff Merkley, Mark Begich, Michael Bennet, Kirsten Gillibrand, Al Franken, Joe Manchin, Chris Coons, Richard Blumenthal, Tammy Baldwin, Joe Donnelly, Chris Murphy, Mazie Hirono, Martin Heinrich, Tim Kaine, Elizabeth Warren, and Heidi Heidkamp.  

            Of that list, the more conservative members all represent conservative or battleground states.  

            (This exludes Brian Schatz, Mo Cowan, and Angus King.)

            Too many Democrats in the House to list, but just looking at the list of those elected since Obama's been President, none jump out as particularly conservative.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 03:09:58 PM PST

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          •  Your facts are off. Most new folks are good (4+ / 0-)
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            look at the new Senators:  Elizabeth Warren, MA, 'nuff said.  Mark Begich is liberal for Alaska.  The Udalls are good in the Mountain states.  Sherrod Brown OH is a treasure.  Kirsten Gillibrand NY is very good.  Jeff Merkley OR is great.  Really thoughtful.  This time around we got Tammy Baldwin WI and Mazie Horono HI who are very liberal.  That's just a sampling.  And in the House it is the Blue Dogs who had their butts whipped and their numbers greatly reduced.  Most liberals returned.

            I think your real problem is with the voters, who in many states are simply way more conservative than all but a  few Kossacks.

            The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

            by Mimikatz on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 03:33:16 PM PST

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            •  Warren may be an exception, we'll see (4+ / 0-)
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              She recently agreed to support the dismantling of a part of ACA that taxes medical equipment manufacturers, since one is in her state.

              As for the rest, the real test will come on SS and Medicare reform - tough legislative issues where the WH policies are very, very bad.  So far, outside of Begich, Harkin and a few others, there's very little good happening.

              It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

              by Betty Pinson on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:01:18 PM PST

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            •  As for my own senator, Sherrod Brown (1+ / 0-)
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              Since his re-election, he's been rather quiet on some issues, like the proposed SS reform.  He's also been very quiet about some of the changes to ACA that have been weakening it.

              That one is going to be a litmus test for "progressive" Dems in the senate.

              It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

              by Betty Pinson on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:14:20 PM PST

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          •  Carl Levin who helped kill filibuster reform? (0+ / 0-)

            Not two months ago? So he can grandstand all he likes, but the chance for the Dems to do something about it and he worked with McCain to make sure nothing changed.  

            If you're not talking about what billionaire hedgefund bankster Peter G. Peterson is up to you're having the wrong conversations.

            by Jacoby Jonze on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 04:09:05 PM PST

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            •  No legislator is perfect (1+ / 0-)
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              That's one of the first things you learn when doing issue advocacy.

              For the most part, Levin's record has been exemplary.  He was an old-school Dem legislator, someone who you could approach, make your appeal and know he would consider all the details and ramifications.  He voted based on his convictions, the facts and what was best for his constituents, not based on what his donors or corporate lobbyists had on their wish list.

              Today's senate Dems focus too often on donors and corporate lobbyists when making decisions, even those who have been around for a while.  A perfect example can be found in Social Security reform - only a very few will speak out to say SS doesn't contribute to the deficit, that chained CPI is wrong.  The rest are left bleating in the veal pen. Same thing happened with the Public Option during health care reform debates.

              We need more Dems in the Senate who don't spend all their time worrying about what the big donors want.

              It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. FDR

              by Betty Pinson on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 04:52:44 PM PST

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        •  Yes. (6+ / 0-)

          There's a visceral bitterness because the Prez beat a certain other candidate.

        •  Yes. nt (3+ / 0-)

          "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

          by second gen on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 03:00:33 PM PST

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        •  Apparently, Yes, That Poster Uses Everything (3+ / 0-)

          As an opportunity to bash the President.

          This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

          by Beetwasher on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 03:02:32 PM PST

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      •  Name 2 legislators who this description applies to (1+ / 0-)
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        When I think "conservadems", they tend to be people who were in elected office prior to Obama being sworn in as POTUS, with Ben Nelson, Heath Shuler and Lieberman being the worst offenders (notably, ppl on the way out, not in), Mary Landrieu to some degree.

        I say name 2 b/c I can think of one horrible new addition, Manchin, although he's slightly less bad than I feared (you see a guy literally shooting a climate law in his commercials and its not exactly a cause for hope).  

        Is there some massive group of Dems who were elected due to Obama's assistance that have become horrific conservadems?  Heck, I'd actually say that Levin was on my list b/c his opposition to filibuster reform made EVERYTHING else much much harder, and he well proceeds Obama.

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