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  •  Europe's demand for oil is dropping even (3+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis, citisven, joanneleon

    more than the USA's, at a 14 year low iirc, so the bitumen is for "other parts of the world." Parts of the world desperate for fossil fuels and where there is little pollution control.

    •  other parts of the world (2+ / 0-)
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      Agathena, dinotrac

      They´ll be our demise. Economically, it might seem good for us and good for them that they are now no longer "the developing nations" but simply self sufficient markets. Ecologically however, that means that the power to make effective decisions on humanity´s carbon trajectory is surely taken out of our hands. If it goes on like this, then eventually the US will find itself in a situation like some third world nation used to be: they can jump up and down, but can do nothing to stop China, India and Brazil to destroy the atmosphere we all depend on.

      it will be an irony with an element os "serves you right", but the net result is horrific for everyone.

      •  I see you understand the dilemma quite well. (0+ / 0-)

        China already puts out twice the CO2 of the US.
        Within the next 3-5 years it'll be triple.

        Where once the US emitted a quarter of the CO2, it now emits one sixth, a ration that shrinks evry year.

        No CO2 solution will happen without the emerging economies.
        Not possible.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:10:12 AM PDT

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    •  Interesting. Where are there greenhouse gases (0+ / 0-)

      coming from?

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      by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:31:28 AM PDT

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