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  •  Ooooh, bad guys, scary! (9+ / 0-)

    Must kill them. Must kill ALL of them! Because they're BAD!

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 07:48:53 AM PST

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    •  I, the wise one, know who the bad guys are (9+ / 0-)

      no need for Haber corpus which has been around for hundreds of years

      no need for the rule of law

      I am the KING and I can do what I want to anyone

    •  The only good bad guy is a dead bad guy. (7+ / 0-)

      Something like that.

      What's truly scary is the ascendency of the terrified right even on "liberal" DKos.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:29:01 AM PST

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      •  If we kill them, it means they were bad (6+ / 0-)

        Anyway, even if we made a mistake, so long as me and my family are safe and my XBox is working, I'm fine with that. You can't be right 100% of the time.

        Bin Laden's dead! Go USA! Woohoo!

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:33:46 AM PST

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        •  and... if we kill them when they're little... (5+ / 0-)

          they can't grow up to be bad.

          and...

          it uses less ordnance to blow up a kid, so it's cost effective too!

          Win-win!

          This round of kill the scary terrorists brought to you by Team D, proudly keeping America Safe since 2009!

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:43:12 AM PST

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          •  I don't see any serious push (2+ / 0-)
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            for killing children before they grow up to be terrorists, at least on our side. Give them some credit. But I also don't see the sort of outrage you'd expect when it does happen, even as "collateral damage". Mainly, I see people in denial who put their love of Team Blue and desire to not die or think too hard about difficult things above their still existing but supressed decency.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:46:51 AM PST

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          •  if they all had responsible fathers I guess it (2+ / 0-)
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            wouldn't have happened, according to the thinking of Robert Gibbs.
            According to the article someone close to him said Gibbs didn't know at the time the 16 yearl old boy was not killed at the same time as his father, but that news doesn't seem to change his views very much.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

            WASHINGTON -- A 16-year-old American boy killed in an Obama administration drone strike "should have [had] a far more responsible father," Obama campaign senior adviser Robert Gibbs says in a new video released by the group We Are Change.
            "I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business," Gibbs, the former White House press secretary, told the interviewer from We Are Change, when asked to justify "an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial -- and, he's underage, he's a minor."

            Gibbs had initially attempted to wave off a question about the boy. "I'm not going to get into Anwar al-Awlaki's son. I know that Anwar al-Awlaki renounced his citizenship, did great harm to people in this country." Anwar Al-Awlaki, born and educated in the U.S., was a senior al Qaeda recruiter and propagandist, American authorities have said.
            And this....
            >But the reporter pressed him, noting that the teen had not renounced his citizenship and was underage. The Atlantic suggests that if Gibbs is giving the genuine rationale for the killing, it's grounds for impeachment.

            "Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father," writes The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf. "He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process on that logic ought to be grounds for impeachment."

            Friedersdorf also notes the distinction that al-Awlaki's son was not killed as a consequence of the strike against the father, but was hit separately. Esquire's Tom Junod covered the son's killing:

            (emphasis mine)

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 02:47:27 PM PST

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        •  don't drone me, bro (3+ / 0-)
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          It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

          by Murphoney on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:46:21 AM PST

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      •  Or, at least, a dead *suspected* bad guy (1+ / 0-)
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        then we'll KNOW all the bad guys are dead bad guys, and we won't have to worry about being blamed for letting any bad guys survive, because since we kill even all the might-be bad guys, the bad-guy bad guys will have to be especially dead.

        and think of all the free time for those judges.

        It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

        by Murphoney on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:45:41 AM PST

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