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  •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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    edrie

    I guess the simple answer to this is to repeal AUMF and get Congress to do it's job.  But of course, that would take away from your ability to call the current president a tyrant.

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

    by lcj98 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:04:59 AM PST

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    •  Come on, that's too easy (5+ / 0-)

      If Obama believed the AUMF to be, at least in part, unconstitutional, he'd just have to ignore and refuse to carry out those parts and tell congress to send him a cleaned-up version. You can't apply such justification on DOMA and then claim that your hands are tied. How stupid does he think we are?

      You're really insulting peoples' intelligence and motivations by making this into a political version of having daddy issues. Obama is doing the same exact thing Bush was doing, however more "smartly", so why is it ok when he does it when it wasn't ok when Bush did it? "I trust him" is a child's answer.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:10:23 AM PST

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        Even if I do trust him, he's not going to always be the president.

        Process matters a lot, and this administration hasn't really tackled it when it comes to "national security." There are probably ways to make this all run better within the bounds of the constitution, without sacrificing the needed secrecy around particular situations. Some of that would require congressional cooperation that ain't coming soon, but some of it probably would not.

        I suspect that the reality is that nobody wants to open the political can of worms. And I'm realistic about that, I don't think it's stupid to want to avoid that particular political clusterfuck while also trying to get other things through. You know, like a budget.

        I do think it's dangerous, in the long run, regardless.

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        You're going to completely ignore the fact that Congress gave the office of the president this power?  The Congress has the power to tell the president "hey buddy, sit on this and rotate" and repeal it today IF they chose to, but none of them want to.  So it's kind of loopsided to blame the president for using the power the Congress and Senate gave him, and the Supreme Court let's him use.

        I'm not insulting your intelligence, you just refuse to use.  Big difference.

        The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

        by lcj98 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:55:06 AM PST

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        •  So he has no choice but to use it? (3+ / 0-)
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          See, this is where you lose the argument. Sure, congress may have given the president this power, even obligation, but it's entirely within his power to NOT use it, as unnecessary, dangerous, even unconstitutional. There is no gun to his head forcing him to do this. He can just pull a Nancy Reagan--as he's done with DOMA. So yes, you're insulting my intelligence.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:57:37 AM PST

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          •  Right... (0+ / 0-)

            Give the president all of this power AND expect him not to use it, especially when it come to national security.  Yeah, that's rational thing.

            The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

            by lcj98 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 10:09:19 AM PST

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