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  •  I think you are right (1+ / 0-)
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    I am not trying hard enough.  Or if I am, then I am failing at it.

    We flew over 1400 F-117 bombing flights over Baghdad in 1991 and lost ZERO planes.  Not a single one was hit.  This was hailed as a "Major victory" and a shining example of the US Military technical prowess.  People thought it was great.  Stealth technology seemed AMAZING and was clearly the future of military aviation.  A technology so advanced we don't even share it with our allies.

    No one cared.  Now we use drones.  Even LESS of a risk to our pilots because there are no pilots and people think "wait, that's kind of unfair." ....and bombing a woefully equipped out-of-date military over a high population urban area with STEALTH BOMBERS was more sporting?

    I think people in these other countries where we are KILLING PEOPLE are going to have some negative feelings toward us whether or not we hit them with a drone-launched missile, gun them down with helicopter gunships, bomb them at night with planes they can never see, roll super high-tech highly armored tanks through their villages or shoot them in the face with high caliber guns.

    I guess Im not seeing a lot of upside to finding a way to kill people around the world in the way that will make them the least mad at us.

    If we are going to war then let's go to war.  The most effective strategy with the lowest risk to our soldiers at the lowest cost in dollars and effort to deploy and maintain.

    Now, if we want to argue about whether or not we should be at war... well, that's a whole different diary.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:40:35 AM PST

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    •  I'm not who you have to convince n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      by Seneca Doane on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 09:49:44 AM PST

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    •  this whole debate is so pythonesque, isn't it. (0+ / 0-)

      people (civilians) who are caught with the targets in war do not appreciate the manner in which they are being killed - they just want the fighting to stop.  NOTHNG in the manner of being killed matters - only living.

      this entire farsical debate would be better served if it were a debate on how to extricate from that (and other wars) and how to prevent them from beginning to start with!

      watching the destruction in syria, mali and other hotspots in the world - the choice is ugly.  do we stand by and do nothing while people are slaughtered or do we engage to try to lessen and eventually stop the slaughter.

      going in and asking "nicely" isn't going to rid syria of hassad or mali of the fanatics there.

      the whole debate over one weapon (that is highly effective) is a distraction to what the debate SHOULD be!

      just my little observation here - along with my objection to this type of diary that tries to scream the government is BAAAAD!

      i, too, have my stomach turned by the manipulation of a situation to further someone's person agenda/book sales/etc.  i think those who are posting so emotionally here are sincere - but misguided.  this isn't how policy is changed.  that takes more than ranting at the president on a blog.  

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:02:47 PM PST

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      •  "NOTHNG in the manner of being killed matters" (1+ / 0-)
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        Almost certainly untrue.  And the problem at issue is with the manner of living, giving the manner of possibly being killed.  Americans just don't seem to get the horror of aerial bombing because it doesn't happen to us.

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        by Seneca Doane on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:10:48 PM PST

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        •  um, i think you might be wrong on that. (0+ / 0-)

          some americans know full well the horror - ask wwII vets, ask americans who lived in the blitz, ask americans who have heard and experienced the bombings of groups like the ira in london in the early 80s or in the village in the 70s.

          the real issue is how to get OUT of the current war and how to prevent other wars in the future.  it isn't always possible to avoid conflict - look at how much horror took place before the world got involved in the 30s and 40s - and in somolia, libya, syria, mali and many other places where violence is a daily occurence.

          i'd much rather see us focusing on how to find the peace than how to use different technology.  the drone delivers a bomb.  the f-15? and the b-52s delivered bombs.  the end result is that people die.

          how do we look to find equity in the world where people don't try to kill each other over ideology, religious differences, economic disparity, hunger, isolation, etc.

          until we can get along on our own shores, how can we ever find a way to help other nations to get along within their own borders.

          if you look at war - it is almost always fueled by poverty and hunger stoked by religion and intolerance based on fear of change.

          we have a chance to make this world a better place - with the technology now available, laptops that connect to the internet by windup to cell phone technology that connects the world, it is only a matter of time before totalitarian regimes fall.  the models societies will look to follow when rebuilding will be the ones that seek equality and respect.

          we don't have that in our own country - perhaps we should start at home if we want real change.

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:23:43 PM PST

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          •  Americans "by and large" don't get that horror (1+ / 0-)
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            And while I agree of much of what you say about making the world a better place -- with respect, you do not get to tell people in countries we are bombing or threatening to bomb silently and without warning (and inevitably sometimes hitting the wrong target) what "the real issue" is.  For them, this is a real issue.

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            by Seneca Doane on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 12:01:38 PM PST

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          Love your ad; appropriate in post?

          •  Dunno -- ask someone in charge (0+ / 0-)

            It's in my sig line, not the comment itself.  It's intended to let people know what I do, so that they know someone who does what I do.

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            by Seneca Doane on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 06:38:55 PM PDT

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