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  •  She wasn't (13+ / 0-)

    doing anything louder than annoying people talking to their earphones, people having loud conversations, noise from cell phones rings or video games... It's public transportation not the ballet or a wake. People are people, they are noisy and full of life.

    The video was awesome. that's an entertaining commute. As you say you can move to another car or put on your earbuds and have some rainforest sounds or anything else that is better than having a pseudopoliceman throwing a 82 yeo woman of the train like she was a hobo from the 30s or even bordering her.

    •  Rush hour commutes are different than off peak (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm ok with noise on an off peak train, but on a rush hour train to or from work, I want quiet. There's no concept of a quiet car on the subway, but if I still lived at home in the suburbs I would absolutely be in that car every day.

      You want to know what's not awesome in that dance video? When they commandeer the train aisle and come within inches of kicking your face during their fucking dance moves. It's disrespectful and disruptive to the other passengers. Do you live here and encounter them on an almost daily basis like I do?

      No one says anything because it's a NY thing, but you should see the looks on most people's faces. They're furious.

      •  They don't seem furious to me (2+ / 0-)
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        I don;t live now but I've lived in places using the public transportation a lot. Yes, they may be annoying but annoyance is part of living around other people particularly in densely populated places like NYC. Even in NYC I don't think in every commute you get this guys on your face.  What about others peoples odors, talking loud, eating (I personally hate being beside someone eating in a vehicle of any kind), clothing and so on. Is any of that something that needs to be addressed by a goon throwing really old people of a train?

        •  What part of dancers almost kick passengers (0+ / 0-)

          do you not understand? That particular video doesn't show it, but when these guys come onto the train car they commandeer it and clear the aisles. Anyone who was standing in the middle now has to shuffle to one end of the train car to make space for their little dance act.

          I guarantee you people don't want to move but they'll take moving out of the way versus a kick to the face.

          It's annoying and disruptive. I shouldn't have to worry about getting kicked by a break dancer on my way home from work. Why you can't understand that is beyond me.

          •  I do understand it (2+ / 0-)
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            I had several times a guy playing horrible accordion music directly by my ear and smelling like bags of fermented polyps. I had a drunken old woman sitting beside me falling asleep on top of me several times. Guys reading what I' reading. People behaving uncivilly in general.They are fucking annoying but the solution is not wannabe cops treating people like that guy did in the video.

      •  You want peace and quiet (2+ / 0-)
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        from the public on public transportation. I'll bet that 82-year old wanted some good ol' gospel songs. Why is your desire more absolute than hers? And I say 'desire' instead of 'right' because you have no right not to be bothered by the public when you are in public.

        •  Because there are inside and outside voices. (0+ / 0-)

          I was raised that way, and I'd like to think today's parents are raising their children the same way.

          I was raised to be exceptionally mindful of my volume when in public. That, combined with the fact that I am among the most self-aware people I know, I take great care to not be a disturbance to my fellow humans when in public. Whether it's public transit, at a restaurant, movie theatre, etc.

          Transit is not the right venue for singing. Many people here disagree with me, but we'll just have to disagree.

          •  Sounds like you are trying to impose your (3+ / 0-)
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            personal values and preferences on other people.

            Are you normally a control-freak in daily life?  I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just asking.

            If you think the NYC subways are loud or crazy, well, you have the choice to seek out other transportation. It is very doubtful that your one opinion is going to change all the people who ride on the trains.

            A friend of mine who lived in Queens biked into Manhattan every day, rain, sun or snow.  He said he liked it. I thought he was nuts.

            If you think the NYC subways are loud, you should try the Mexico City subways.  Some cars -- 3rd from the back, last car, first car, etc -- on some lines are known for being a little or a lot wild.   Passengers get on other cars if they just want the daily crush of people and general noise.  

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 01:06:32 PM PST

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          •  There are all sorts of people (1+ / 0-)
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            in the world, and for as long as we're here we have to share the planet whether we like it or not. That's just reality. We do have some choices in life, however.

            I am having a little trouble understanding why anyone - anywhere - would attempt to defend the outrageous and decidedly dangerous treatment this woman received for the not awful 'sin' of singing a gospel song while on public transportation. Even if she couldn't carry a tune in a bucket I could have tolerated it - maybe appreciate it for the expression that it was - for the duration of my ride. Without the violent offense visited upon her by an obvious thug. Heck, if her singing voice was truly intolerable, I probably would have moved to sit next to her and invite her nicely to tell me what's on her mind - I love that song, what made you decide to sing it, what's your story... And I probably would have enjoyed the conversation immensely, too.

            I understand your intolerance, I just don't see how you could believe your intolerance must outweigh the simple presence of any irritating 'other' in a public space. Perhaps you are living and working in the wrong environment (for your nature). There are some options, you know.

          •  I agree singing on a public vehicle is just rude. (0+ / 0-)

            And for me religious music evokes PTSD so I would have had to leave the vehicle.

            But she was not deserving of the treatment she received.

            "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

            by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:18:35 AM PST

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      •  You don't always get what you want in life. (0+ / 0-)

        Who the hell are you to decide that your desire for quiet is more important than her desire to sing?  You want to be out amongst others, you deal with the petty annoyances of others getting to do what they want, without taking your desires as the deciding factor.

        While I'm not proud of it, I've taken an intense dislike to you based on your posts in this diary.  I don't know that I've read posts exhibiting such a callous self centeredness in a very long time.  

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:01:15 PM PST

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        •  Think what you want, doesn't matter to me (0+ / 0-)

          In regards to desires for quiet over desires to sing, I was raised to be very mindful of my volume in public. I go out of my way to make sure I'm not a disturbance to my fellow humans, whether it's on transit, at a movie theatre, wherever. It's basic respect.

          There are venues for singing in public, and transit is not one of them. You can call that selfish all day long, but it doesn't change the tradition that we are supposed to be mindful and self-aware enough to not disturb our fellow humans in certain circumstances, and transit is among the top circumstances in my book.

          •  Well, good for you. But the rest of the world is (5+ / 0-)
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            not obligated to comport to your standards.

            "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

            by gustynpip on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:20:36 PM PST

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          •  Isn't this just what you are complaining about (1+ / 0-)
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            regarding the noise makers:

            Think what you want, doesn't matter to me
            I thought that attitude from the noisy kids on the Showtime train bothered you, but you express it as well.

            So, it is doubtful progress will be made.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 01:07:50 PM PST

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