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  •  I've stopped advocating for the prison industry (40+ / 0-)

    in most cases. Locking someone up is not to be taken lightly, and I'd be just fine if we freed all but the most dangerous and violent criminals.

    But starting a war? On purpose? Yeah, that's life in prison, no question.

    It is more important to be a confident and articulate speaker than to know jack shit about anything.

    by VictorLaszlo on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 10:55:18 AM PST

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    •  I've often thought that if I could ask prisoners (2+ / 0-)
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      two questions they would be:

      1) What are you incarcerated for?

      2) What is you're political affiliation?

      Imho the answer I might find is that rethuglican prisoners are the more violent offenders. I base my theory on personal experience. And it is just my theory.

      "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 5:11

      by parsonsbeach on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 11:42:06 AM PST

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    •  It's like all the worst crimes all at once. (16+ / 0-)

      And repeatedly.

      Murder, mayhem, rape, torture, theft, etc.

      Lying to the America people, slandering those who simply told the truth... Cheney is pretty much the worst guy ever, no joke.

      It's hard to accurately describe his crimes without sounding hyperbolic.

      It is more important to be a confident and articulate speaker than to know jack shit about anything.

      by VictorLaszlo on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 01:56:57 PM PST

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    •  Prison's too good for him. (12+ / 0-)

      This is why I wish Rod Serling were still with us. He would have come up with the PERFECT ironic punishment to keep Cheney miserable for eternity.

    •  Definitely. (2+ / 0-)
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      Governments care only as much as their citizens force them to care. Nothing changes unless we change -- George Monbiot.

      by Nulwee on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 04:01:03 PM PST

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      •  Have to deal with a significant nit. (4+ / 0-)
        Mr. Cheney kept W. flying aimlessly in the air on 9/11 while he and Lynn left on a helicopter for a secure undisclosed location
        According to Richard Clarke for 9/11 especially, and the history on this, POTUS is supposed to be in Air Force One if the country is under attack.

        -It is a flying office, it is why POTUS can go anywhere on the planet and still be very much in contact and charge of the country. [That said, it has nothing to do with AF1 or the situation, that W was Not in charge on 9/11.]

        -A moving target is harder to find and hit than a stationary one, especially if the position is known. Furthermore, the plane can be protected by rotating fighter jets. The odds of getting through that are too small to calculate.

        -The Secret Service determines where POTUS needs to be in order to protect him. They made the call on 9/11. What did NOT make sense was letting him stay at the elementary school as long as they did. There was an airport very close, a plane could have veered off course and hit the school before an air traffic controller would be able to respond, let alone the AF- especially on 9/11. Dead kids all over the place would have been a problem.  

        -The Secret Service and Clarke were not ready to call DC safe enough for Bush to come back to when he did. He over road their directives, it turned out ok.

        This is the first I have read or heard that the Cheney's ever left the WH bunker and were flown anywhere in a helicopter. Continuity of Government (COG) protocol went into effect immediately. Key cabinet members went to safe locations which were equipped with video connection to the WH, Minetta ended up in the bunker with the Cheney's, Clarke and a bunch of security people were in the situation room. The speaker of the house and Laura were both taken to safe locations.

        The protocol and facilities had undergone a lot of upgrading the decade before under Clarke's supervision due to the '93 WTC bombing and embassies. During the cold war, the issue had been if a nuke were exploded, POTUS needed to be somewhere underground. Post cold war, it was no longer likely.

        This is how the situation was supposed to be handled and that critique keeps coming up. It makes no sense if you lived through 'duck and cover' and know the history of Air Force One. Even more if you married into an AF family with a FiL who was an AF fighter wing commander for decades - lots of NORAD experience.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 04:16:52 AM PDT

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