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  •  His premise is wrong. (3+ / 0-)
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    doc2, Chi, akeitz

    Liberal and non racist are not interchangeable.  Some areas might, for example, be liberal regarding unions but still might have a lot of racism.   For example, check out the following article:

    The Most Racist City In America: Boston?

    Boston has a real history of racial strife.  The writer either did not choose his test area carefully or deliberately chose a place that has a long history of racial unrest.

    “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to ...the TEA Party."

    by StevenJoseph on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:15:30 AM PDT

    •  The author was from Harvard. (0+ / 0-)

      He just did his study where he lives, in Boston.

      •  and he very well may have picked a (0+ / 0-)

        Republican leaning suburb. There are rich, White (MA has only 6.6 Black population overall anyway) Moderate to right leaning suburbs on the commuter rail. MA is not all Blue..it's patchy.

        If he is "from Harvard" he is well off. And it does not mean he has been in Boston long. He may not get that his sample was skewed.

        And we can't evaluate it because he does not say which community(s) he chose, and tell us what the ACTUAL political makeup of those communities are.
        And he doesn't tell us how many people were his sample size (n).
        Even Harvard social scientists can be sloppy with these kinds of things especially if they are informal. He reports his findings in a very nonscientific way that to someone with training in research science seems unsuportable and sloppy. We can't know if his lack of rigor is just in how he's reporting it to us in WP because he doesn't want to get into too many numbers, or if he really didn't check out all of those variables.

        As he describes it it's kind of lame to be honest.

    •  If people can be both liberal and racist (0+ / 0-)

      Which of course they can be, doesn't that just go toward his point--that liberal racists might be tempted to the GOP?

      "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

      by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:37:06 AM PDT

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      •  They already left years ago (3+ / 0-)
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        I believe that the folks for whom race is a paramount issue left for the GOP in various waves since the late 1960s with the last tiny bit leaving in 2008 to avoid Obama.

        •  I hope you're right (1+ / 0-)
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          Though the evidence seems to suggest otherwise:

          Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79 percent among Republicans compared with 32 percent among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49 percent).

          "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

          by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:48:47 AM PDT

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          •  You can be prejudiced but not vote on your racism (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't think anyone is saying that racism is gone from the Democratic party.  It's simply that the GOP has already snagged those who vote on their racism,  there are likely many folks who harbor varying degrees of prejudice that but support left of center candidates.  Those folks won't be swayed to the GOP on the basis of prejudice, else they would have already left for the GOP.

            •  The poing of the article, though, (0+ / 0-)

              is that some people who right now don't base their vote on racism might as a result of the demographic change. Disagree if you want, but it's not obviously wrong. And it seems to have more evidence than your view.

              "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

              by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 12:03:41 PM PDT

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              •  My argument is if they haven't already they won't (0+ / 0-)

                There have been plenty of signal events to turn these hypothetical voters away from the Democratic party on the basis of race  but they didn't leave when other race voters did.  I'm of the notion that support of immigrant rights won't drive them into the arms of the GOP because all the other events did not.

    •  and I can shed further light...even in Boston area (1+ / 0-)
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      akeitz

      he apparently chose a very White suburb. He says he lives there/near there. Well, Harvard is in Cambridge so if he takes the train in likely it's a Northern suburb. Most of those are quite well off (as we'd expect of someone from Harvard, anyway).

      There are a whole bunch of rich mostly White suburbs north of Boston on the commuter rail that LEAN REPUBLICAN.

      Even the data he does give us show that it is not a good cross section of people from Boston area. Becuase they are mostly White.
      And I am guessing as I said that they are from a well off Northern suburb

      so quite possibly his sample was more white more rich and more Republican than the average MA resident and the average liberal.

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