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  •  My negativity is about the poor experiment (1+ / 0-)
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    The howling is about riding the T with Hispanic men, the concluding paragraph of the article does not salvage what is largely a hacktackular editorial.

    •  It's not just the concluding paragraph(s) (1+ / 0-)
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      but also the historical information about what happened in the 30s, 60s, etc.

      I'm not sure just a poor experimental design normally causes this kind of reaction, but whatever. Thanks for the response.

      "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

      by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 12:01:41 PM PDT

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      •  History is the past. That was then this is now. (0+ / 0-)

        The events of the 20th century realigned the political parties such that race voters are in the GOP or a third party wacko fringe.  The "Reagan Democrats" never came back, they are GOP through and through, today's Democrats are different.

        We've had enough influx of Hispanic and minorities into just about every corner  of "Blue" America and we're not seeing any evidence of new political realignments based upon the waves of the 21st century.

        Those folks uncomfortable with influxes of minorities to the extent they would say chose their mayor or congressman on those issues are already part of the GOP tribe.

        •  How did you feel (0+ / 0-)

          About the great race wars and the purge of a year ago on Daily Kos?

          I'd say racism is alive and well among those who call themselves liberal and Democratic.

          •  Racism can be alive but not drive to the GOP (0+ / 0-)

            I avoid meta diaries and have avoided most of the great dust ups here on Daily Kos.  I have better things to do with my time.  Racism most certainly exists even within the progressive movement but that doesn't stop racists from deciding to vote on issues other then how they feel about minorities.

        •  I suspect many people said the same (1+ / 0-)
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          in the 1970s, that after the Civil Rights Act all the race voters went to the GOP.

          You still provide no evidence for your assertions.

          As for history, I'll go ahead and quote Faulkner:

          "The past isn't dead. It isn't even past."

          "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

          by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 01:08:23 PM PDT

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          •  Oh oh. (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm so stealing that Faulkner quote.

          •  The GOP has been beating the drum since Goldwater (0+ / 0-)

            That is my evidence.  The GOP has been signing the racist siren song for so long that folks who would be tempted by  are already in their camp.  

            The professor's editorial provided no evidence that immigration reform and the recent wave of Hispanic immigrants is powerful enough to change existing liberal voters into GOP voters.  Voters who would reject a candidate on the basis of immigrant reform support were never liberal voters in the first place.

            Lovely Faulkner quote.  Doesn't change my mind nor negate my BA in history bub.

            •  That's not evidence (1+ / 0-)
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              Again, the point is that the changing demographics might--might!--change peoples' views on these issues to the extent that they might get lured to the (new, rebranded, less outwardly crazy) GOP. The author might be wrong about that, but at least he gave evidence for his view; you have yet to give me anything but your own opinion.

              "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

              by TealTerror on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 06:22:02 PM PDT

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    •  You obviously did not follow up on the "full (1+ / 0-)
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      experiment" conducted by a Harvard social science researcher of some experience. Neither did you likely check into his credentials or other research in this field supporting the possibility that many whites, left to their own prejudices in largely white areas, are likely to have such knee jerk reactions. You certainly did not read the experiment's protocols by your comment and shot in the dark "the poor experiment." Your knee jerk reaction is unwarranted. The Abstract:

      The effect of intergroup contact has long been a question central to social scientists. As political and technological changes bring increased interstate immigration, understanding intergroup contact is increasingly important to policy and scientic debates. Unfortunately, limitations in causal inference with observational data and the practical inability to experiment on demographic context have constrained scholars' ability to speak to the effects of intergroup contact. Here I report the results of an experiment testing the causal effects of prolonged intergroup contact in which Spanish-speaking confederates were randomly assigned to be inserted, for an extended period, into the daily routines of unknowing Anglo-whites living in homogeneous communities in the United States, thus simulating the conditions of demographic change. The result of this controlled experiment is a significant shift toward exclusionary attitudes among treated subjects. However there is evidence that the initial aversion diminishes over time. This experiment demonstrates that even very minor demographic change causes strong exclusionary reactions.
      You can get the full paper, a 1.4 mb .pdf:
      This page includes materials related to the experiment I conducted in 2012 on attitudes toward immigration by exploiting routenized behavior on commuter rail in the Boston area. The paper can be found here.
      Too many here crow that "demographics" are on our side. Well, not necessarily fast enough to prevent more pain throughout this decade and even beyond unless we heed the professor's closing advice that this possibility, if not probability, "should give Democrats greater urgency in their legislative efforts to promote equality."

      Those here bashing a newspaper column about the actual research might find themselves enlightened by reading the paper itself.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 12:27:55 PM PDT

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      •  Considering the Post didn't link to it. Cheap shot (0+ / 0-)

        I haven't seen a single post denying that racism exists or even that folks are uncomfortable when newcomers move in.  A study validating this is one thing it's quite another to claim that this discomfort means 21st century "Blue voters" will suddenly start voting for the GOP on that basis.  We would have seen evidence of that pattern in 2000-2012  as the issue of immigration reform has been kicking around for quite some time, but nobody has come up with evidence that these documented cases of prejudice caused 21st century left leaning voters to move into the GOP tribe.

        •  Cheap shot? You leaped into shit without looking. (2+ / 0-)
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          Dogs are fuzzy, TealTerror

          It took me about one minute to Google the researcher/author's name, find his web page listing the rest of his research with links to the papers—including this particular one. It took another few minutes to do a first quick reading of the key parts of the report. Maybe five minutes all told to find it was a not some fly by night crap but a study with support of the Malcolm Weiner Center for Social Policy at Harvard University and the Behavioral Laboratory in Social Sciences at Harvard University done by a reputable social scientist.

          That, and I didn't write a "diary" on the subject.

          You chose to spout before spending a few minutes fact checking and researching. You took a bunch of cheap shots at the author based on a little blurb just noting some conclusions without doing your homework. As a result you have a diary that contains quite a bit of pure crap rather than reasonable discussion of the research or its findings or how to deal with a real problem it reveals.

          Keep writing, just do the basics of good writing research next time.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 02:26:07 PM PDT

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          •  You're the one rolling in it sorry. (0+ / 0-)

            I stand by my dairy.  the editorial was the shit, not me.  The study could have been valid but other comments here lead me to believe the sample for the study skewed Right of Center making the conclusions drawn from it in the editorial laughably wrong.  The professor did not connect the dots, we're laughing because he failed in that regard.

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