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  •  Boston is horribly racist (1+ / 0-)
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    though I think the city itself is actually a bit less so now than it was thirty years ago.  Most of the racists have moved out to the suburbs -- they're my neighbors out in the bedroom community about thirty minutes on the T from downtown where I live.  I've seen more confederate battle flags within a twenty minute drive from my house than I ever expected to see in any northern community.  Boston itself, on the other hand, has become significantly more diverse ethnically and I think social attitudes have changed significantly since the busing wars..

    It looks to me like the good perfesser goes into his research with a specific outcome he'd like to produce, and then designs his studies in such a way as to produce that outcome.  I'd like to know a lot more, for example, about how he assessed the views of the riders on the T.  What did the survey look like?  How was it administered?  Did he make certain to interview the same riders before and after the "intervention?"  If so, how?  Did he attempt to control for the effects of taking the survey itself on the results it produced?

    I don't think his "study" passes the laugh test, regardless of how racist white liberals might be.

    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 11:54:16 AM PDT

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    •  I liked Cambridge much better (0+ / 0-)

      than Boston, actually.

    •  Can I ask you if you how you observe racism (1+ / 0-)
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      isabelle hayes

      and what you see that makes you blanket this entire city as "horribly racist'?

      I am born and raised in the Boston area and live here now. I have lived in other cities and in the UK (only for a year) as well.

      As a White person, I do not encounter any behind-the-back overt or covert racist Talk amongst White people in Boston and never have as an adult (lived in Boston for 20 years, suburb before that). I have heard racist behind the back talk amongst White people when I lived in other places. And antiSemetic talk and anti Pakistani talk in the UK (that was 20 yrs ago though) as well. By behind the back talk I mean Presumed out of the earshot of the minority being eye-rolled or talked about negatively.

      I am aware however that one Black friend of mine was followed around in a store like she was going to shoplift and I was not. And another friend got pulled over and it was clear to him he was guilty of Driving While Black. So racism surely exists in Boston, I just have never realized/known/experienced (to the extent I can) that it was worse than other cities. ie "Horrible" as you say.

      Being of lower income, and for part of that, young, I lived where students and young professionals live and generally those places have a blend of races and Gay/straight etc so it might be why I haven't encountered it.

      I DID encounter negative back talk amongst my parent's generation (Born in 1930s, ie 80ish now) when I was growing up in a suburb south of Boston, however. I have not heard that kind of talk around here since I was a teenager...except with an old neighbor of my mothers who by then was elderly. Admittedly, my cross sectional experience of "Boston" might be narrow or certainly not the same as yours...but that could be because your point of view is different depending on your ethnicity. Unfortunately.

      I have never seen a confederate flag flying around here. EVER. I believe you of course but clearly your cross section of where you drive and the areas you frequent (to see the flags) are different than mine. I do recall a STORY in the paper about a college student (Harvard?) hanging a confederate flag from dorm window and the controversy that begat.

      I'll admit it. I find your blanket statement "Boston is horribly racist" upsetting because it is so general and you don't qualify how you know that or what you experienced. You present it as a given. If you are a racial/ethnic minority it would be helpful to know because it would show me how oblivious I am being, can be, because I am WHite.

      •  I thought I made it clear I live in the suburbs (2+ / 0-)
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        south suburbs, to be exact.  Most of the folks around here are transplants from South Boston, and many of my neighbors were high school students during the busing wars.  They make their racism known is large and small ways, and you don't even have to be that attentive to pick it up in casual conversation.

        I do think the city is more tolerant than it once was, but in large part because the most racist whites moved out to the burbs when they lost the busing war.  When I say "Boston is horribly racist" I'm referring to the metro area, and not to the city itself.  I thought that was clear in my initial comment, but apparently it wasn't.

        For one indicator of racist sentiment in the region, I'd refer you to the polling on immigrant rights.  This is the state that banned bilingual education, after all, and has a legislature that seeks to deny immigrants drivers' licenses and in-state tuition at state colleges and universities.

        Awhile back my daily commute used to take me past a house in Bellingham, if memory serves correctly, that proudly flew the confederate flag on a tall pole in its front yard.  I can't guarantee it's still there, as my commute has changed, but it was there for several years.  In Walpole, a town I visit often, the high school teams call themselves the Rebels.  Though the official emblem is Virginia Cavaliers style crossed swords, a lot of folks in the community use the stars and bars.  They put decals on their cars, and some fly the flag in their yards.

        When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

        by litho on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 01:41:26 PM PDT

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