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  •  Put that straw man away, and look at reality (3+ / 0-)
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    6412093, sebastianguy99, FG

    You bet the tar sands are a disaster in the making.  That's not the question.  The question is, what is the best way to move away from a carbon based economy, and to a renewable energy economy?

    Trying to stop this pipeline, and then the next one, and then the fracking wells, and then the refinery and then...  is short sighted and damn impossible.  The planet doesn't have time for us to fight losing causes.  

    There are some technologies on the horizon (google self driving car, inductive coupled electric cars, carbon nano-tube batteries... that could make fossil fuels not worth the expense to dig them up.  We've got to get there as fast as possible, and that means trading some bad projects for money to quickly move these technologies forward.

    We can't waste our time.

    •  It's not a straw man and you know it (3+ / 0-)
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      Laurence Lewis, corvo, Burned

      No, you can't separate economics from ecology anymore.

      I have something even more radical than all your cars, HIGH SPEED RAIL. That's what should be going on in Detroit right now. Get people out of their cars then we can stop covering the landscape with roads.

      Your way, we die of thirst but that's okay because we are making money.

      •  trains are sooo 19th century (0+ / 0-)

        30 years ago we had an opportunity to do high speed rail right, but that window has slammed shut.  There are prices to pay for making mistakes.  HSR will never, ever be a solution to our transportation problems.

        If we environmentalists keep thinking in 19th century terms, the planet is truly doomed.

        •  Japan proved that it could be done in 1957 (1+ / 0-)
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          6412093

          and the "door is slammed shut" in North America only because of lobbying by the oil and auto industry and their bought off politicians.

          Yes, I think we do need to go back to the pre-car period and rethink the whole transportation issue. Many cities in the world have reached "Peak Car." Vancouver BC is one example, I invite you up here. It wouldn't matter if your car was run on waste restaurant oil or natural gas,or electricity you just can't move.

          tip: stop slamming doors

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