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  •  I wouldn't call your assumptions "cynical." n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 01:30:11 PM PDT

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      Neither would I. The cynical assumption is that there's no difference between Hillary, Kerry and Obama on climate since the facts are that two have a very positive record of working on the issue, while Hillary doesn't.

      •  Now that's unrealistic. (0+ / 0-)

        Obama has never demonstrated a desire to appoint people with opinions other than the ones he already has.  Why should this case be any different?  I'm also not seeing the "very positive record" on the environment you impute to the former two -- some words, yes, but the song-and-dance on Keystone, the promotion of nukes and "clean coal," and delegating BP to clean up its own Deepwater Horizon as it saw fit -- well, these don't constitute a "very positive record" by any stretch of the imagination.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 01:58:39 PM PDT

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          You write: "Obama has never demonstrated a desire to appoint people with opinions other than the ones he already has."

          I agree, since he has appointed people like Steven Chu and others who are very serious about taking action on climate change, just as Obama has shown he is.
          The crumbs given to clean coal and nuclear are insignificant compared to the stimulus investments in clean energy and efficiency. Administering BP cleanup is insignificant compared to reducing oil consumption from all sources. There's plenty of information out there about Obama's accomplishments on energy, but if you choose to be guided by cynicism, then I'm sure you'll continue to selective see only the debbie downer talking points you choose to see.

          •  Chu is kind of the exception (0+ / 0-)

            who proves the rule, given that he wasn't all that much of an environmentalist and either knew, or was told, to keep a really low profile when environmental issues hit the front pages.

            The rest of your comment, well, does not reflect balance.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 02:16:57 PM PDT

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              Why not look up the dollar amounts spent on clean coal v. renewables and efficiency in the stimulus and you'll see why I think that's just a talking point for cynics.

              Lisa Jackson is not an exception. Neither is Kerry, who has spent years working on climate despite the Senate's fossil fuel majority.

        •  GHG and nukes (0+ / 0-)

          I've rejected my former opposition to nukes because those displace GHG emissions from fossil-fuel fired plants. I thought reducing GHG was very important, so Obama's support for nukes was an effective approach to fighting global warming.

          I see not everyone buys my opinion on nukes and GHG, and whether support for nukes makes Obama a fighter against climate change.

          Orly, it isn't evidence just because you downloaded it from the internet.

          by 6412093 on Sun Mar 10, 2013 at 03:07:42 PM PDT

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