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  •  he should check it again. (5+ / 0-)

    and see if he can reproduce the accident.

    If there is a safety, see that it's on, shock, bang on or attempt to reproduce the event..safely do I have to say, and see if there is something to be learned there.

    I have checked and all of my three 30'-50's designs will fire when shocked/dropped/struck even if the trigger is held by the 'safety', the pin can move with enough energy to bounce into the shell and fire it...and does.

    One should never carry a gun that is loaded and expect it to not fire when struck or dropped.

    Newer designs have tried to prevent this but unless they trap the pin I think there is always the danger of the shell being struck...and there may be designs that do this...

    If the advertising says differently...I have seen class action lawsuits against the gun mfgs for similar defects iirc.

    You might mention the model, someone here may know it.

     

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    by KenBee on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:14:18 PM PDT

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    •  I believe that Glocks are reliable in that they (1+ / 0-)
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      don't fire when dropped. I don't have any experience with rifles.

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      by Alexandre on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:53:12 PM PDT

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    •  Its called being "dropsafe" (8+ / 0-)

      Its something that is vitally important in gun design.  Most modern guns are.  I think it should be a requirement if they are legal for sale.  There are standards for it, AFAK.  

      A quick google found this:  http://www.tactical-life.com/...

      Short Version:  Any Single Action revolver is presumed to be not drop safe and should never be carried with a cartridge under the hammer.  All double action revolvers are more likely to be drop safe.  In either case its easy to check:  There is a transfer bar between the trigger and the primer.  If the transfer bar is not present, the gun will not fire.  It falls when the trigger is not depressed and the hammer is not cocked.  Modern automatic pistols like Glocks are drop safe (always check).  All shotguns are presumed to be not drop safe (this is why they are carried cruiser fashion:  Magazine tube full, chamber empty and the firing pin forward).  Most rifles are drop safe but I don't trust the Remington 700 with a factory trigger.  

      If you own a gun, please find out.  

      For me, I have only one gun that I trust is drop safe (manual says it is and I never want to find out).  

      •  thanks, an excellent article on the subject (5+ / 0-)

        and much better written than my from memory bit.

          I just looked at my Ruger single six and the hammer has a safe position, but there is still a short firing pin that with the right shock could theoretically move it enough to forcibly  contact a cartridge under it...rendering it to my mind not drop safe. I have never fired it, so...good to study it again before doing so.

        The article also explained better the floating firing pin that can contact a loaded shell when the gun is given a blow or inertia enough to overcome any spring, and the different design attempts to make that safer.  The floating firing pin is described for semi-autos but the Ruger Single Six has one as well...as does an ancient single shot 22 pistol I shoot.

        For my experiment I aimed, gripped and smacked with a small  piece of wood..'bang.'
        Both for a semi auto 30's pistol (the floating pin held by the spring) and for the 9 shot 22 revolver (that's so buried away it would take me past dinner time to dig out)....also 'bang', but it's design has the hammer contact the shell itself...not drop safe as either striking the hammer, duh, or the handgrip made it 'bang'. Can't immediately reexamine it.....cause , dinner.

        That's a good lesson no matter how well one knows your particular gun, to test and see just how safe it really is to handle with a shell in firing position.
          And it even happened with Wyatt Earp.

            That's always been something I haven't seen a lot of, the talk about drop safe vs the 'safety is on' only really making it safe from action to the trigger itself in handling.

        Bottom line , no gun should really be considered drop safe to carry with a shell in firing position....complicating purchase and carry decisions for defensive uses. The guns mentioned in that article are some of the most common pistols made.

        Thanks David, that's exactly what I was after.

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        by KenBee on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:21:29 PM PDT

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