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  •  With all the description, and still you'll call (14+ / 0-)

    him "a responsible gun owner".

    One of these things is not like the other.

    "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

    by second gen on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:15:07 PM PDT

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    •  He is one of the most responsible gun (4+ / 0-)

      users I have ever come across. And yes, this did happen.

      Both of these things are true.

      “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

      by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:51:22 PM PDT

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      •  Responsible gun owners don't prop a gun (11+ / 0-)

        (loaded or not, which is a whole other issue) against a tree.

        Look, I appreciate your "This can happen to you" diary, but let's not try to pretend this was a freak accident. It was irresponsible. Most gun owners are. They think it won't happen to them. There was just a 4 year old who shot himself near me. His father left his gun on a dresser. His father is a police officer. He didn't think he could reach it. Irresponsible.

        A responsible gun owner is the same as a law abiding gun owner. They are, until they're not.

        "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

        by second gen on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 07:18:01 PM PDT

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        •  "Most gun owners are"? (2+ / 0-)
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          Got some actual stats to back that up?

          80 million gun owners in the country, approximately, and if each and every single one was irresponsible and shot someone by accident, there'd be 80 million deaths. Are gun owners just that goddamn good at digging shallow graves really, really fast or something? Seriously.

          •  You don't have to shoot someone by accident (4+ / 0-)
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            to be an irresponsible gun owner.

            "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

            by second gen on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 07:36:03 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe not, but it'd be interesting to find out (2+ / 0-)
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              what your methodology was for finding out that "most gun owners are irresponsible". Was there a survey, or what? What were the parameters for "irresponsible", and was it irresponsible with everything or just guns, and how was that measured against the responsibility (or lack thereof) of non-gun owners?

              Because if you make a sweeping, generalized statement like that as if it's a fact, some sort of fact-based reasoning that can be verified would really, really help.

              I mean, because obviously if you're sitting on that kind of information, it could be useful to add to the conversation.

              •  Hey, if you would rather cherry pick (0+ / 0-)

                one sentence out of several paragraphs, knock yourself out.

                "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

                by second gen on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:15:29 PM PDT

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              •  wrong sentence to pick - use this one: (1+ / 0-)
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                A responsible gun owner is the same as a law abiding gun owner. They are, until they're not.
                I could pre-suppose the same about a digital camera, a computer, and proximity to children as being: "a responsible adult" - until they're a child pornographer.  

                Facebook is full of them.  "Responsible Adults" posting photos of children.  Each, a ticking time bomb.

                IF I was to follow the logic.

                "The bill's sponsor has a better chance of being the next Pope" ~ attributed to Rep. Eric Burlison of Missouri

                by 43north on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 06:18:06 AM PDT

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        •  My nephew (12+ / 0-)

          shot out a tire in the family car.

          From inside the vehicle.  With a deer rifle.

          This shit happens all the time.  The family thought that the poor judgment was in not having a spare, not the part about carrying a loaded rifle in a car with the safety off.

          •  Since I assume everyone was OK.. (2+ / 0-)
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            How in the heck can you do that??

            that's funny in a macabre sort of way.. **Assuming everyone is OK**..

            •  It goes something like this (0+ / 0-)

              "Hey look! A deer!"

              Spin head around to look.  Get excited.  Grab rifle getting ready to jump out of car and shoot deer.

              While grabbing rifle, bump trigger.

              Be sitting in the back seat of a short body 4x4, with the back seat almost directly over the rear axle.  Muzzle pointed down.  Gun goes off, bullet exits passenger compartment, enters tire, second "boom" and flat tire.

              And yes, everybody was fine.  Just another day in stupid-ville.

              •  Loaded rifle in vehicle, safety off.... (0+ / 0-)

                finger on trigger before rifle on target.

                One almost certain violation of state law, two violations of gun handling rules.

                Your hate-mail will be graded.

                by PavePusher on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 09:16:22 PM PDT

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              •  Good to know everyone was OK.. (0+ / 0-)

                And sorry, just seemed funny to read, now understandable..

                Kinda like NASCAR wrecks,

                Ryan Newman gets turned, Flips 9 times ends up on his roof, Perfectly fine.  

                Dale Earnhardt gets in mild fenderbender, harness and seatbelt breaks, Goes into Steering and dash, gone..

                One is funny, One isn't..

        •  a root (low to the ground ?) inside and (5+ / 0-)

          on the floor of a crowded tent, close enough to sleeping children for one of them to "jostle" it. Ummm whoa...

    •  They all claim to"be responsible"right up to point (5+ / 0-)
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      they shoot someone in the family.  

      •  And law abiding. Till that part where they get (3+ / 0-)
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        pissed at their girlfriend and shoot the place up. Or until that part where they keep a concealed weapon on them when they go into a bar.

        "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

        by second gen on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 07:55:41 PM PDT

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        •  This is asinine. (0+ / 0-)

          "People are law abiding, until they commit a crime"
          Well, no shit.

          Are you implying that people should be found guilty while they are innocent?

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 10:48:29 AM PDT

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    •  You can also be a responsible..... (4+ / 0-)
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      ...owner of a pit bull or a rattlesnake.  But we don't think of guns that way for some reason.

      I am quite sure he is a responsible gun owner and even MORE responsible now. If I have to be in a tent with a guy and a gun owned by that guy, I would want it to be a guy who has been through something like this.

      If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

      by Bensdad on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 07:56:18 PM PDT

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    •  to be fair (0+ / 0-)

      both to gun owners and to the semantics of natural language, you can be a responsible person and still have moments of irresponsibility.  Just like you can be a smart person and have your stupid moments.  Or a complete fool with the odd moment of brilliant insight.  A calm person having a temper flare-up.  And so on.  Even Warren Buffet makes a bad investment now and again. Einstein had brain farts, and Kobe Bryant throws up a brick-laden night every now and again.

      There are two kinds of properties we use to describe people: those that are long-lasting and define who we are, and those   that are transient and momentary.  The long-lasting ones often traits that describe tendencies that we, via the cognitive shortcuts in our minds, expand to universalities.  Like being responsible. We call someone responsible to mean they're generally responsible, but we often expand that to meaning they're always responsible.  But that's content we ourselves are adding, not what's necessarily true.

      I mean, ask any "good" or "responsible" parent, and they'll tell you about the time (or times) they almost killed their kids with a moment of irresponsibility.  

      Now, I can't speak to the responsibility of this gun owner; he was certainly irresponsible at this instance, but I don't know of any other instances.  But let's not assume either way, is what I'm saying.

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 08:18:53 AM PDT

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