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  •  Unlike some commenters (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't particularly find the wording or scenarios slanted. They didn't influence what would be my response if I were surveyed, and I doubt they would sway or change responses of anybody else who'd thought about it at all. And many, many of the people being surveyed have certainly thought about it.

    BTW, in the news coverage on the process there is one additional question at the end that probably is going to have substantial significance.

    13.  If the Boy Scouts of America makes a decision on this policy that disagrees with your own view, will you continue to participate in the Boy Scouts, or will you leave the organization?  (I believe I can find a way to continue, I do not believe I can find a way to continue, I have not yet made up my mind)
    http://blogs.wsj.com/...

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    by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 12:58:46 PM PDT

    •  I agree. (4+ / 0-)

      I would even go so far as to say that some of the questions seem intended to elicit a liberal response, in particular the last three, i.e.

      -Johnny, a first grade boy, has joined Tiger Cubs with his friends. Johnny’s friends and their parents unanimously nominate Johnny’s mom, who is known by them to be lesbian, to be the den leader. Johnny’s pack is chartered to a church where the doctrine of that faith does not teach that homosexuality is wrong. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for his mother to serve as a den leader for his Cub Scout den?

      -A troop is chartered by an organization that does not believe homosexuality is wrong and allows gays to be ministers. The youth minister traditionally serves as the Scoutmaster for the troop. The congregation hires a youth minister who is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for this youth minister to serve as the Scoutmaster?

      -Tom started in the program as a Tiger Cub, and finished every requirement for the Eagle Scout Award at 16 years of age. At his board of review Tom reveals that he is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the review board to deny his Eagle Scout award based on that admission?

      The first of these questions makes clear that the woman in question has the trust of all of the the parents.

      In the second, it is pitting the Boy Scouts against their chartering organization.

      The third is appealing to a sense of fairness among all but the most hard-bitten and unreconstructed bigots.

      What I see is an attempt to gain support for a policy change, specifically, "allowing charter organizations to follow their own beliefs when selecting Boy Scout members and adult leaders, if that means there will be different standards from one organization to the next."

      That is not good enough.  As far as I am aware, the Girl Scout do not knuckle under to hate groups masquerading as religious organizations.  I see no reason that the Boy Scouts should.

      I am an Eagle Scout like my father before me.  My father served first as the Cubmaster of my pack and then as the Scoutmaster of my troop.  I would love for my son to have the opportunities presented by scouting. I would volunteer to serve just as my father did.  If only they would drop the bigotry.

      This survey represents progress.  It means that the pressure is getting to the national organization and that somebody there is pushing for a compromise.  The suggested policy does not go far enough, but it is a good first step.

      The more pressure the better.  Personally, I'd like to see the SPLC label the Scouts as a hate group until they drop the the bigotry, and I very much want them to drop the bigotry.  I want to be part of Scouting again, but I will not so long as they maintain their current position.

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      by journeyman on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 02:01:18 PM PDT

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      •  The first scenario you cite (2+ / 0-)
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        That is the thorny one, especially if they try to split the baby and leave it up to the charter organization. As you note, we have a mom that all the other parents are choosing to lead the group (and such volunteers don't grow on trees anyway), but because she's a lesbian the church that charters the troop could have the right to bar her from serving.

        "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

        by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 02:15:19 PM PDT

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