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  •  You know darn well what would happen if they (1+ / 0-)
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    tried that. The state would say you're using public dollars to assist the nonprofits, and they'd make it illegal to share that information. Just like the CDC cannot undertake or share research, just like the ATF cannot share data -- they'd do the same thing here.

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    by Mother Mags on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 08:26:44 PM PDT

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      How would they make that illegal without criminalizing private citizens reporting crime guns?

      When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

      by Patrick Costighan on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 08:35:53 PM PDT

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      •  What does a citizen reporting a "crime gun" (1+ / 0-)
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        have to do with nonprofit agencies requesting criminal data from a municipality? In the case of the nonprofit, they're going to tie up police resources checking on weapons they receive, which is a use of public funds, and a law could easily be written to outlaw that without making criminals of individuals who turn in guns that may have been used in crimes. That was your point above: do it yourself, not on the public's dime.

        stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

        by Mother Mags on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 08:56:23 PM PDT

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          Why would a nonprofit request that data in the first place?  Just hand the gun over to the police and ask them to check.  If it checks out, you get to burn it down on your own dime.  If not, it goes into evidence and its now a matter for the police to investigate.  I don't see why the police would feel obligated to share the particulars of an ongoing investigation with the reporting nonprofit except where it concerns the organization's role as witness to a transfer of a crime gun.

          When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

          by Patrick Costighan on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 09:06:20 PM PDT

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          •  Let's say I run a nonprofit that tries to (0+ / 0-)

            eliminate gang violence by getting guns off the street. Because Arizona outlawed municipalities accepting and destroying guns, I decide our organization will do it -- accept and destroy guns.

            But I also work with closely with the city and, as an organization in good standing with the police, I want them to know about the weapons I have, some of which may be traced to crimes.

            Before my organization melts down the guns, we ask the city to check the weapons. That's the step that the new language in the Arizona statute has apparently criminalized, because you're using public funds to assist a buy-back, even tangentially, that destroys weapons. Yes, I could go ahead and destroy the guns, but it sure would be a public service to let the police know what we have first. I think if you did that the NRA would challenge it, or write an even tougher law to make it explicit.

            stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

            by Mother Mags on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 09:23:46 PM PDT

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