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  •  I'm saying something different (6+ / 0-)

    Why even discuss Social Security cuts that the GOP is not asking for?

    Just say No to the Medicare cuts they are asking for.

    •  well honestly having read Bruce's point (3+ / 0-)

      I'll defer to him anyways as I sort of figured Ryan leaving SS alone was too good to be true but even if he does if we want revenue we're going to have to talk 'entitlement reform' too.

      I think it's bullshit and you almost certainly do too but I don't see any way of fixing that as the American people keep sending the same morons to the House

      In the time that I have been given,
      I am what I am

      by duhban on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 06:53:10 AM PDT

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      •  Not sure what you are saying (4+ / 0-)

        Are you arguing "entitlement reform" is something we must do now?

        See I reject the premise.

        Interestingly, Obama may be rejecting it too based on an ABC article I read after writing this.

        •  if I could (2+ / 0-)
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          I would actually  strengthen both Social Security (increase benefits by at least 50% to turn it back into a national pension system, remove the upper tax limit on payroll tax and then pull more money in from closing tax loop holes and  raising taxes on both corporations and the 1%) and medicare (turn it into a NHS style system with a tax on all as well as funding from other sources)

          thus I don't think it is something we must do rather I think it is something that might be forced on us because people keep voting for the GOP despite the GOP acting in direct opposition of their interests. That said it looks from Bruce's comment that the GOP are not being even honest as per usual

          In the time that I have been given,
          I am what I am

          by duhban on Wed Mar 13, 2013 at 07:14:36 AM PDT

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          •  We can do nothing. (0+ / 0-)

            If they want to cut entitlements, they can go out and win the White House, Senate, and House and do it themselves. If Democrats want to raise taxes they can go out and do the same thing.

            If the American people vote for divided government, then we get stasis.

            Don't you think that's appropriate?

            •  in an ideal world sure (0+ / 0-)

              but we live in a sharply divided nation so I don't think what you suggest is likely and frankly it's not the current reality

              In the time that I have been given,
              I am what I am

              by duhban on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:20:24 PM PDT

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              •  What are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

                We just had one party government twice in the past ten years. Both parties had it. And both parties did whatever they wanted to do.

                Seems to me you want a sharply divided nation to act as though it isn't sharply divided, when it is. Sharp divisions means one side has to beat the other, or else you get...a stalemate.

                THAT is the reality. Stalemate.

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