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    I would hope designated drivers do.  My state permits carrying concealed or openly any place that's not a school, a court, and points of controlled access (i.e., metal detectors).  Private property is at the owner's discretion.  I don't carry when I go out to eat and certainly when I intend drink, but if a bunch of us coming from the range want a bite to eat most of us carry inside.  Why?  Because I think it's a pretty dumb idea to trusting the locks on your car to keep valuables and dangerous items safe.

    When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

    by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 09:05:29 AM PDT

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    •  And just what are you going to be eating at a bar (2+ / 0-)
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      (not a restaurant with a bar)?  Do you really think most people won't carry even when they are going to be drinking?

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 09:17:03 AM PDT

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    •  Hope is not a strategy nt (0+ / 0-)

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 02:21:28 PM PDT

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        Neither is an unenforceable ban on concealed carry in bars.

        When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

        by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 02:25:12 PM PDT

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        •  Do you have a reference? (1+ / 0-)
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          Glen The Plumber

          Which of these state laws have changed their laws re   alcohol use/ firearm sale-carry-use since 2010?

          24. 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(3); (g)(3).
          25. 21 U.S.C. § 802(6).
          26. See generally Ala Code § 13A-11-50 (2004).
          27. See generally Alaska Stat § 11.61.190 et seq (2009); 18.65.700 et seq (2009).
          28. See generally Ariz Stat. § 13-905 et seq (2009); § 13-3101 (2010).
          29. See generally Ark Stat Ann § 5-73-101 et seq (2010); 5-73-201 et seq (2010). 30. See generally California Penal Code § 12000 et seq (2010); Cal WeIf & Inst Code § 8100 et seq (2009).
          31. See generally Col Revised Stat § 12-26.1-101 (2002); 18-12-101 et seq (2010); 24-33.5-424 (2008).
          32. See generally Conn Gen Stat § 29-27 (2010) et seq; 53-202 et seq (2010); 53a-211 et seq (2010).
          33. See generally Del Code § 11-1441 (2007) et seq; 24-901 et seq (2010).
          34. See generally Fla Stat § 790.001 et seq (2010).
          35. See generally Ga Code Ann § 16-11-101.1 et seq (2009); 16-11-171 (2009); 16-11-172 (2005); 35-3-34 (2006).
          36. See generally Haw Rev Stat § 134-1 et seq (2009).
          37. See generally Idaho Code § 18-310 (2010); 18-3302 et seq (2006).
          38. See generally Ill Rev Stat 430:65/0.01 et seq (2006); 720:5/24-1 et seq (2009).
          39. See generally Ind Code Ann § 35- et seq (2010).
          40. See generally Iowa Code § 702.7 (2008); 724.1 et seq (2010).
          41. See generally Kansas Stat Ann § 21-4201 et seq (2009).
          42. See generally Ky Rev Stat Ann § 237.060 et seq (2009); 431.064 (2007); 527.010 et seq (1994).
          43. See generally La Rev Stat Ann § 14:35.3, 91, 95 et seq (2009); 40:1379.3, 1751 et seq (2008).
          44. See generally Me Rev Stat Ann title 15 § 393 (2007).
          45. See generally Md Code Crim Law § 4 (2010); Public Safety § = (2010).
          46. See generally Mass Gen Laws 140 § 121 et seq (2004).
          47. See generally Mich Comp Laws Ann 3.111 et seq (2004); § 28.421 et seq (2008); 750.222 et seq (2001).
          48. See generally Minn Stat § 609.165 (2003); 609.66 et seq (2005); 624.71 et seq (1969).
          49. See generally Miss Code Ann 45-9-101 (2009); 97-37-1 et seq (2007).
          50. See generally Mo Rev Stat § 407.500, 505 (2008); 571.010 et seq (2008).
          51. See generally Mont Code Ann § 45-8-301 et seq (2009); 46-18-801 (1997).
          52. See generally Neb Rev Stat § 28-1201 et seq (2009); 69-2401 et seq (2009).
          53. See generally Nev Rev Stat § 202.253 et seq (2005).
          54. See generally NH Rev Stat Ann § 159-D et seq (1999).
          55. See generally NJ Rev Stat § 2C:39-1 et seq (2002); 2C:58-1 et seq (1979).
          56. See generally NM Stat Ann § et seq (2010).
          57. See generally NY Crim Proc Law § 265.00 (2004) and 400.00; Gen Bus Law Art 39-DD.
          58. See generally NC Gen Stat § 14-269.7 et seq (1994); 14-402 et seq (2009).
          59. See generally ND Cent Code § 62.1-01 et seq (2004).
          60. See generally Ohio Rev Code § 2923.11 et seq (2008).
          61. See generally Okla Stat 21 § 1271.1 et seq (19944).
          62. See generally Or Rev Stat § 166.170 et seq (2009).
          63. See generally Pa Cons Stat 18§ 6101 et seq (1995).
          64. See generally RI Gen Laws § 8-8.1-3 (2005); 11-47-1 et seq (2009).
          65. See generally SC Code Ann § 16-23-10 et seq (2004); 23-31-10 et seq (1971).
          66. See generally SD Codified Laws § 23-7 et seq (2009).
          67. See generally Tenn Code Ann § 39-17-1301 et seq (2009).
          68. See generally Tex Penal Code § 30.06; 42.12; 46.01 et seq (2003).
          68. See generally Utah Code Ann § 53-5-702 et seq (2005); 76-10-501 et seq (2001).
          70. See generally Vt Stat Ann § 13-4003 et seq (2009).
          71. See generally Va Code Ann § 18.2-279 et seq (2005); 54.1-4201.1 (2005).
          72. See generally Wash Rev Code § 9.41.010 et seq (2009).
          73. See generally W Va Code § et seq (2002).
          74. See generally Wis Stat § 175.30 et seq (2009); 175.35 (2009); 941.20 et seq (2008).
          75. See generally Wyo Stat § 6-8-101 et seq (1983).

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 02:31:01 PM PDT

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            What are you talking about?

            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

            by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 02:37:14 PM PDT

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            •  A number of states have liberalized their (1+ / 0-)
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              concealed carry or open carry laws since 2010. I'm not sure which ones.

              I'm asking if anyone knows which states also tightened laws that separate alcohol and guns, e.g. separate lawful alcohol use from lawful RKBA.

              E.g. if 1) a state loosened concealed carry by allowing carry in church, (which sounds scary) but at the same time they 2) outlawed concealed or open carry while under the influence that would be a net gain in public safety.

              I wouldn't want open carry in church, but if I had to make a trade off of (trained and proficiency tested) concealed carry in church in order to separate alcohol/guns I would consider that a step toward reducing gun violence.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 02:47:11 PM PDT

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