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View Diary: Do you want to help Scott Prouty? UPDATED (154 comments)

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  •  He posted the videos one at a time and looked like (2+ / 0-)
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    Bill W, DBoon

    a spammer.  It appeared he was flooding the Recent Diary list.  At the same time, people had noticed all the new bot-IDs signing up (usually with a number in the post) and some of us were speculating that was how the site would be rendered useless; all those bots posting 50 diaries an hour.

    He didn't answer numerous requests to delete the diaries and post all the clips in one big diary.

    He didn't answer any questions about the provenance, just kept saying they were sent to the press and this was going to be big.

    Well, he was right.  It was going to be big. But it took another month because Corn took his time vetting them.  AS HE SHOULD.  What was posted here was not obviously "big" because the video was blurred, so they were essentially audio clips.

    And don't forget the same clips were posted elsewhere under the name Rachel Maddow.  ANd Maddow had to deny her show had anything to do with them.  So that looked like  this person was a troublemaker.

    So... blurry clips that sounded like Romney, no provenance, no proof, diarist ignores reasonable requests?  Sure, it's easy to say now "Oh, we treated him terribly."  But that's silly.  Nobody had ANY WAY of knowing they were legit given what we were given.

    •  Why so defensive? (14+ / 0-)

      Wow, talk about defensive! I see four comments from you making excuses, and not one apologizing to Scott and praising him for single-handedly playing such a huge, courageous and productive role, in the $1 billion US Presidential election. You make excuse after excuse:

      Yes, there were a few dozen Kossacks who attacked Scott/annonemous670's posts here, or exulted when he was 'Bojoed'. That's not very many people. There are hundreds of thousands of Kossacks, especially active in the lead-up to a presidential election. Most Kossacks, among the thousands who saw those video diaries, did not pile on him.

      Kos has already spoken on this, how annoyed he was that DailyKos blew it, but acknowledging the tradeoffs involved:  I provided excerpts and some more thoughts in my comments below, here:

      For those who got it wrong: Be a man, be a woman, be an adult. No-one is asking you to 'wear a dunce cap'. Just apologize to Scott, and thank him. Stop making excuses.

      Can you afford even $10 (or more) as thanks or for his legal-defense fund? Add a note of thanks from DailyKos, if you can.

      (I did donate, putting my $ where my mouth is.)

      •  That is so fucking disingenuous of you (0+ / 0-)

        Why am I so defensive?  Because I got a hostile private mail from you accusing me of leading the HR parade, that's why.  I led NOTHING.  Now you sit here and intone Shame, Shame on those who care about this site not being ratcfucked.

        And for the record, Kos came off that tirade and acknowledged that those putting the brakes on the original posts were RIGHT TO DO SO.

        But do feel free to continue your Superior Dance.

        I also donated to Prouty's legal fund, because he did indeed do our nation a service.  But you know what?  I would not do ANYTHING DIFFERENT than I did beforehand if we get another set up blurry vidclips and an unresponsive poster who looks like a troublemaker.

        •  You write odious words. Let's publish our PMs (0+ / 0-)

          as I already asked you -- and you refused (so I honored your request, and didn't even mention it). I ask you again. We'll let readers decide if what I wrote you was a "hostile" email, as you claim, and let them describe your response to me.

          (A small tip for when you write others: you'll find it more effective to avoid using swear words and shouting-caps, they're not nice.)

          My other comments here stand; I'm done with this topic and diary.

          Best wishes.

    •  You're right. (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't hide-rate the guy, and I think those that did probably shouldn't have, but I did say that the video needed to be verified before we go crazy about it.  
      In a way, it's like the Monica Lewinsky story all over again.  Daily Kos was playing the role of the Drudge Report, and David Corn was playing the role of Michael Isikoff.

    •  The "bots" (1+ / 0-)
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      have never tried to post comments, as far as I know, based on what the dkos staff have said numerous times.

      Another case of overreacting based on objective facts, yes, but facts that really don't mean much in context.

       We need to quit doing that.

      If you spent much time in the late night threads, there were always jokes from all the well known established Kossacks (like gchaucer02) that a number in a user id doesn't necessarily imply bottitude. Look at all the people who rec'd this diary. Lots of numbers there.

      We need to stop judging individuals based on "numbers." The bot names have had very specific patterns (that we also noticed and joked around about-- and still do).  This one didn't.

      As for this.

      But that's silly.  Nobody had ANY WAY of knowing they were legit given what we were given.
      I had no way of knowing they were legit. But I didn't know they were illegitimate either.

      No one knew for sure they were illegitimate. (If they knew that, they were very wrong. )

      But pastry was tossed hard and fast.

      That's a big problem.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:56:07 PM PDT

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      •  Bots then and now (0+ / 0-)

        The bots were new at the time, and nobody knew if they were gearing up for something or just taking up space.  The bot jokes came later.  
        We knew O'Keefe ran sting operations.  Could the video be another one by someone else?

        You're right... we didn't know.  And the diarist wasn't communicating.  At all.  And spamming with diary after diary after diary in a very short time.

        And posting under the name Rachel Maddow on another site.

        All very odd behavior for someone with legit video.  The reactions really weren't that surprising given all that context together.

        Feelings were high.  Easy to criticize with 20/20 hindsight, but we didn't have it then.  

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