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  •  what, are you hinting at a third party? (2+ / 0-)
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    If we only have two alternatives, that's bad news.  We either need a more honest and progressive Democratic party, or we need to look for other alternatives
    Blame the Democratic Party?

    They walked away from poverty by 1980 as noted by John Atlas in his book on ACORN "Seeds of Change."

    John's excellent book described effective grass roots anti poverty and political work by ACORN. When I read the book, my response was that ACORN did things that I didn't think were possible. The book is a good handbook for activists.

    The totally "crazy" Republicans - maybe that is the wrong word because they have been able to set the political agenda in programs like the Grand Bargain - in any case continue the attack on ACORN which is gone, and was never convicted of major wrong doing, but support criminal activity of Amgen.

    This is a short and excellent article by John Atlas. The Republicans even in their budget explicitly say no support of ACORN. Both Dallasdoc and others have pointed out how the Republicans will use "Dems attacked SS" to win more elections.

    •  I am noting lack of representation (6+ / 0-)

      The Democratic party should not presume that people will continue to follow them if they don't represent their constituents.  That's how parties die, as the Republicans are vigorously trying to illustrate.

      The corruption and ossification of our politics is not an indefinitely sustainable situation.  Something will change at some point:  if we don't direct the change we will be directed by it.

      Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

      by Dallasdoc on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 06:04:17 AM PDT

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      •  you could point out examples (4+ / 0-)

        in the UK, what happened to the Liberal Party

        in the US what happened to the Whigs

        "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

        by teacherken on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 06:06:29 AM PDT

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        •  We might soon have two more examples (9+ / 0-)

          Both of our current parties are vehicles to pursue the interests of different cliques of billionaires, and both have tired sales pitches to gull a different market of rubes to buy what they're trying to sell.  They assume this situation can go on indefinitely, and so far they've been right.  

          But the proles are grumbling, and the pain is widespread and intense.  The dying middle class is hurting a lot more people than comfortable Beltway gasbags and captured politicians prefer to notice, and that pain wil at some point find appropriate political expression.  Neither party seems in the least inclined to provide a vehicle for that expression, and if they don't change they'd better watch out when another mode of expression appears that motivates people unhappy with their slide into poverty.

          Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

          by Dallasdoc on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 06:11:06 AM PDT

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          •  we are all share croppers now (3+ / 0-)
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            The South won the civil war

            poor whites were held in check because at least they were better off than the blacks

            when we don't acknowledge as a society how bad the condition are, continue in denial

            the kind of denial that let politicians carry off that which is now estimated to cost $6 trillion for the wars started by W Bush

            The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.
      •  "Democrats cut Social Security" is baked in now (2+ / 0-)
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        The GOP is definitely going to be running those ads, regardless of the outcome.

        THis was kind of Obama's Akin moment in shooting a big hole in the party's foot.

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:10:24 AM PDT

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      •  Very well said. (2+ / 0-)
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        Don midwest, Dallasdoc

        "If we don't direct the change we will be directed by it."

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:02:35 AM PDT

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    •  The Cons work by indirection. Like the fox (2+ / 0-)
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      in the parable of the fox and the crow, they get Democrats to do their work for them. And then the Democrats are so proud of what they accomplished with "Welfare Reform" and "health insurance reform" and "education reform."

      Pride goeth before the fall.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 06:18:48 AM PDT

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    •  Well, I voted for Jill Stein. (2+ / 0-)
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      Don midwest, Dallasdoc

      And so did my entire household. But I knew it wasn't going to do much, as she clearly wasn't going to win. I also kept my mouth shut about it on here for the months leading up to the election.

      If you want to have an effective third party, you have to confront the cost of electoral campaigns. And the heart of that is the media, esp. radio and television.  That's where the biggest cost of campaigns is. If we want a third party to work, we have to reform the media, or create our own, and the blogosphere by itself isn't enough.

      Also, it's very important to begin small. That's where the Right began. School boards, local government positions, hell, dogcatcher if it comes down to it. Don't just run people for the Presidency and the Senate.

      But the most important part of it is the media. Those five corporations that control the news here--at least the non-blogosphere part of the news--are holding the two parties in place. If you want a third option, you have to find a way to change those conditions.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:01:42 AM PDT

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