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  •  Oh yes. (0+ / 0-)

    So "gunning for Assange" that when Assange's attorney was lying to the Swedish prosecutor's office saying that Assange was getting ready to come in, while Assange was leaving the country, that they believed him and were shocked when he didn't come in (you can read the leaked text records between Hurtig and Ny).  Then they totally fell for it again when Hurtig said Assange was getting ready to come back, while in reality Assange was setting down roots in the UK and not at all preparing to travel back.  Then when Assange lost his last day in court, broke house arrest and jumped bail, heading straight into the embassy of an anti-western country headed by a guy who had previously praised him, nobody stopped him or warned the UK.

    Getting the picture?  Nobody Was Even Watching Him.  That's how much they care about him.  The world does not revolve around Julian F*ing Assange, and he does NOT deserve a Get-Out-Of-Standing-Trial-For-Rape card.

    While you describe him as a fugitive, you yourself admit that he has actually been fighting this out through the judicial system.

    No, he WAS fighting it out through the judicial system.  He is no longer.  He is a bail jumper hiding out in an embassy to avoid arrest for a crime that five courts, including two national supreme courts, have ruled that he needs to stand trial for.  That makes him a fugitive.  And two of the courts rulings were specifically on the strength of the evidence that he did in fact commit the crimes in question, with his attorney there defending him.

    He IS a rape fugitive.  This is not a matter for debate.  It's the simple facts of the case.  He is a fugitive from a rape charge and three other sexual offense charges.  Quit supporting a rape fugitive's run from the law.

    •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      4kedtongue

      You can call him a fugitive if you like. You can call him a fugitive from a charge of rape if you like. Calling him a "rape fugitive" is sheer demagoguery on your part. Not to mention that its literal meaning is the opposite of what you intend.

      I come from a place where those accused of this crime often didn't even make it to trial. Mobs who, like yourself, assumed their guilt would string them up after brutal and sadistic tortures. Usually such mobs were egged on by those who had political agendas. So there's really no chance that I'm going to fall in with your extra judicial assumption of Assage's guilt.

      If you want to claim that Assange's activities with Wikileaks are a matter of complete indifference to the US government go right ahead. People familiar with the actual record can judge that assertion for what it's worth.

      The fact that you wind up by accusing me of supporting Assange when all I've done is support the principle of innocent until proven guilty speaks for itself.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 01:42:20 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry, but it *IS* what he is. (0+ / 0-)

        He is a fugitive from standing trial for the crime of rape.  He is a rape fugitive.  Deal with it.

        Extrajudicial?  It is Assange who is refusing to stand trial.  He's been in five court battles in two countries and lost every last one of them.  And instead of accepting that he lost, he ran from the law.  Extrajudicial?  The judicial system is the one trying to try him.  He's running from it.  You're the one opposing the judicial system here by backing his run from damned serious charges.

        And I'm sorry, but how exactly do you explain the fact that nobody bothered to even tell Sweden or the UK what he was doing or to stop him?  Nobody was even watching him, it's as simple as that.

        "the principle of innocent until proven guilty "

        No, the principle is "innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW".  Assane is the one derailing this principle and he rightfully deserves any condemnation coming his way for doing so.

        •  Oh for God's sake (1+ / 0-)
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          A "rape fugitive" would be a fugitive from a rape, not a fugitive from an accusation of rape. Deal with it.

          Your assumption of Assange's guilt isn't based on a judicial finding of guilt. That makes your judgement extrajudicial. Deal with it.

          Your apparent bias is such that you can't even recognize the incoherence of your language.

          Where did I ever back "his run from damned serious charges"? I did no such thing and you can't point to where I did. This is a complete fabrication on your part. Deal with it.

          No, the principle is "innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW".  Assane is the one derailing this principle and he rightfully deserves any condemnation coming his way for doing so.
          This is absurd on its face. Are you claiming that the presumption of innocence only applies in the courtroom? Does that mean that you feel entitled to assume someone's guilt without any judicial finding? What's your point?

          You're behaving like a demagogue. Deal with it.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 03:32:16 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry but now you're changing the English language (0+ / 0-)

            for Assange too.  Let's see what we get when we Google "rape fugitive", shall we?

            Link

             *  Chopper for rape fugitive
             *  SEPTA police nab rape fugitive
             *  Makeshift camping gear 'of rape fugitive' discovered - Scotland ...
             *  ROUNDUP: US child rape fugitive to be extradited from Hong Kong
             *  UPDATE: Gang rape fugitive cuffed while on toilet - Beaumont ...
             *  FBI — FBI Arrests Alleged Rape Fugitive in Honolulu
             *  Loudon County child rape fugitive captured in Arizona » Knoxville ...
             *  SEPTA police nab rape fugitive | News | Philadelphia City And Press
             *  Texas Gang Rape Fugitive Recaptured
             *  Harlingen child rape fugitive arrested in Willacy County : News ...
             *  www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id... - Þýða þessa síðuDeila

            Shall I go on to page 2?

            But hey, after automatically supporting a rape fugitive's run from the law, I suppose changing the English language to support him is nothing small for you, eh?

            Once again: Deal with it.  Assange is a rape fugitive.  A man on the run from the law for rape charges.  If he doesn't like people using the term for him, he shouldn't have become a rape fugitive.  It was his own damned choice every step of the way.

            Your assumption of Assange's guilt isn't based on a judicial finding of guilt

            I never made an assumption of guilt.  I'm simply pointing out the facts.  That he's a rape fugitive.  Which he is.  Now, the predominance of the evidence is that he raped a girl and molested another.  Which isn't my judgement, that's the judgement of all of the investigating officers, the prosecutor's office, the Svea court of appeals, and the Supreme Court.  Including a hearing of the evidence and  defense from Assange's legal team.

            Where did I ever back "his run from damned serious charges"?

            The whole implicit argument that he's being setup and that the girls are a bunch of lying sluts on the dole from the CIA.  At a time when DK is damning the media and townsfolk for automatically siding with the accused in the Steubenville case and acting all self-righteous, it's amazing to see people who lack the ability to see the hypocrisy for doing the same in the Assange case where they like the accused.

            Are you claiming that the presumption of innocence only applies in the courtroom?

            Presumption of innocence is a legal term, yes.  It means that the prosecutor must prove the subject's guilt in court to convict and sentence them rather than the subject having to prove their innocence (for example, if a guy was charged with robbing a store, the prosecutor would first have to prove that he was at the store, rather than making the guy prove that he was somewhere else).  It says not a damn thing about letting rape fugitives go and cheering them on while they run from the law.  You're twisting the legal principle beyond recognition.

            Let's cut to the chase: are you or are you not going to keep lionizing Assange as he runs from rape charges?  Are you or are you not going to keep publicly treating his accusers as lying sluts trying to ruin an innocent man even while multiple courts have ruled that the predominance of evidence is that he committed rape?

            •  You get your grammar from News Headlines?! (1+ / 0-)
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              Well that explains a lot.

              But hey, after automatically supporting a rape fugitive's run from the law, I suppose changing the English language to support him is nothing small for you, eh?
              I've already corrected this misrepresentation. That you now repeat it makes it an intentional falsehood on your part. There's no point in engaging with serial liars.

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 09:52:04 PM PDT

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