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  •  Universal checks might pass (4+ / 0-)

    but with provisions that make them worthless and easy to avoid.
    The whole No Registration thing is all about enabling a chunk of the market that THEY KNOW can't legally buy,you know, criminals and mental patients, to continue to buy guns and ammo.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 02:09:25 PM PDT

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    •  And how much of a chunk of the market is that? (0+ / 0-)

      Do you have any supporting evidence for the number you come up with?

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 02:46:28 PM PDT

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    •  A large fraction of the gun show sales (6+ / 0-)

      is a big loophole that would be closed by universal background checks.

      Currently, the big hole through which current law is not enforced is private sales, in homes, from the back trunk of a car, at gun shows. The New York State AG is already working gun show operators to develop best practices for sales at their events.

      The term "gunshow loophole" actually covers three kinds of sales that are already illegal but occur in large numbers every weekend, somewhere. The volume of sales is large is currently large. I don't see how licensed dealers can compete with unlicensed dealers.

      Illegal Sale #1: I don't think I could pass a background check

      Illegal Sale #2: My friend is here to do some paperwork for me. (The so called straw buyer)

      The Loophole: Private sellers who aren't private sellers. (They are selling a volume of firearms that should require a Federal Firearms License).

      For more detail, follow the links and read the report available from the homepage:
      An investigation by NYPD in 2009
      http://www.gunshowundercover2009.org/

      A follow-up investigation by NYPD in 2011 two weeks after the mass shooting in Tuscon, AZ
      http://www.gunshowundercover.org/

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 02:58:59 PM PDT

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      •  Indeed, that's why Wayne mentions (4+ / 0-)

        the 'private transfer' and that background checks would 'criminalize' them. He also has good message discipline on this 'criminalize' notion, although from my POV it's a tacit admission that private sellers will not comply and will break a background check law if passed. That's the only way it would be 'criminalized'.

        We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

        by tytalus on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:02:50 PM PDT

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        •  They are already ignoring the law. (6+ / 0-)

          I'm very proud of New York's recent change to implement best practices and require gun show operators to use a tagging system for inventory management.

          Every gun that goes into a venue will be tagged. Every gun that anyone walks out with will be checked to see if it was sold, and whether a background check was performed.

          The gun show operator is also required to hire sufficient security to police the parking lots to reduce private sales in the parking lots.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:06:47 PM PDT

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          •  Also why straw purchasing needs dealt with (4+ / 0-)

            Hoping to see that survive, since it made it out of the Judiciary committee first. I wonder if this ATF info is still accurate.

            http://www.pbs.org/...

            ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."
            And still, lots of guns slip through the existing loopholes easily...we have no business allowing it to remain so easy.

            We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

            by tytalus on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:23:40 PM PDT

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            •  Exactly so any proposed amendments that (3+ / 0-)
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              prohibit the ATF from conducting periodic unannounced inspections of FFL inventory and paperwork is a gift to criminal gun trafficking (as opposed to legal gun trafficking - that currently goes on a gun shows).

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:50:04 PM PDT

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        •  Some of these guys are really dealers - (3+ / 0-)
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          If universal background checks are passed, the "don't ask/don't tell" operations would have to stop.

          But because there are no firm limits on how many guns a private seller can buy and sell, "dealer" is not well defined.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:11:48 PM PDT

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      •  NRA is always complaining about laws not enforced (4+ / 0-)

        So start running sting operations and get these so-called private sellers put in jail.

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