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  •  We will see. (2+ / 0-)
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    musiccitymollie, allie123

    So far, it has not happened.  I see no roadmap toward it happening.  

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    by TomP on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:50:40 AM PDT

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    •  I genuinley hope you are correct (8+ / 0-)

      The only thing that I see preventing it is if the Rep refuse to even symbolic revenue increase. I think it will pass w/Ds and a few Rs. It is not only heartless it is political suicide for the Ds.

    •  Here is an article (7+ / 0-)

      DC’s Worst-Kept Budget Secret: Lots Of Democrats Support Entitlement Cuts -TPMDC http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/... via @TPM

      Some liberals in the caucus, like Reps. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and Jerry Nadler (D-NY), say they strongly oppose any such cuts to entitlement benefits. But even they openly admit that a significant number of Democrats likely won’t join their opposition.

      “First of all, we have a diverse caucus,” Nadler said. “I imagine there are a fair number of people [who agree with Obama]. Well, 107 of us signed a letter saying we don’t like Chained CPI. That means a hundred others, roughly, didn’t sign the letter. … Some of them didn’t sign the letter because they didn’t agree with the letter. So you can’t assume the entire Democratic caucus disagrees with the president, though some of us clearly do.”

      •  Everyone Knows Obama Supports Entitlemen (5+ / 0-)

        Everyone Knows Obama Supports Entitlement Cuts — Here’s What They Are http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

        •  Thanks for the link (1+ / 0-)
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          That clarifies Obama's position for me.

          The policies he openly supports are needed reforms.

          In the first category are a number of provider-side cuts to Medicare spending listed in Obama’s budget (.pdf).
          The biggest threat to Medicare is growing health care costs.

          We should be concerned about...

          policies Obama supports, but won’t outwardly champion unless Republicans agree to tax increases;
          That includes the chained CPI for SS benefits. That should be off the table! It also includes...
          greater means testing for Medicare outpatient and prescription drug benefits.
          We can be reassured that Obama will reject any of Paul Ryan's fantasies of voucherizing Medicare or cutting and block granting Medicaid.
          •  I don't understand (0+ / 0-)

            what the 1st one means, in terms of who will pay for the lowered rebates Medicare receives? Obamacare intentionally increases amount "consumers" pay for expensive treatments. It is based on the very right-wing idea that 1. patients over use treatments and making it more expensive will discourage over use. It is why I can not afford ms treatment. It hurts the sick and destroys any rational for insurance to exist at all. Since it pays stuff (you could pay 4 yourself instead of premiums) and makes the reason we pay premiums irrelevant because treatment is not affordable. He does this w/excise tax and by lowering quality of health insurance in general. Obamacare may help some w/preventive stuff but if you get sick or become disabled and your treatment is expensive then u r screwed.

            •  It's an effort to control health care costs (0+ / 0-)

              The big problem with our health care system is that it costs too damn much. Providers, both for-profit and nonprofit, are inflating costs to fill the pockets of million $ administrators, equipment manufacturers, and big pharma. One specific idea is to allow Medicare to negotiate lower costs for prescription drugs.

              I don't see where Obamacare does this:

              Obamacare intentionally increases amount "consumers" pay for expensive treatments.
              •  No they would say if they (0+ / 0-)

                were going back on deal Obama made w/big pharma not to allow Medicare to negotiate prices and deals he made w/medical suppliers and hospitals.

                The thing said Medicare would get smaller rebate which means less money to medicare not less money from medicare, right?

                This is from Senate Bill numbers may have changed (I'm not sure) but the tax and other things in his bill to prevent "over use" by charging more for it are still the only cost saving things in his bill.

                The Senate Bill Is Designed To Make Your Health Insurance Worse http://fdl.me/... from @firedoglake

                The harm this bill will do thanks to the excise tax on employer-provided insurance benefits is enormous. The health care bill is designed with the goal of making millions of middle class Americans’ health insurance coverage much worse. That is not a bug, it is a feature.

                The excise tax is meant to force your employer to cut back your insurance benefits, reduce your coverage, and increase your co-pays and deductibles. This is not the conclusion of partisan think tanks, bloggers, or activists, this is the conclusion of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). They CBO concluded:

                 

                  [A]n estimated 19 percent of workers with employment-based coverage would be affected by the excise tax in that year [2016]. Those individuals who kept their high-premium policies would pay a higher premium than under current law, with the difference in premiums roughly equal to the amount of the tax. However, CBO and JCT estimate that most people would avoid the cost of the excise tax by enrolling in plans that had lower premiums; those reductions would result from choosing plans that either pay a smaller share of covered health care costs (which would reduce premiums directly as well as indirectly by leading to less use of covered medical services), manage benefits more tightly, or cover fewer services.

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