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  •  The supreme court said so (0+ / 0-)

    in Heller.  So thats the definition we are stuck with until you can find a case to send before the SCOTUS that challenges the definition of "well regulated militia".

    Before that, though, we'd probably need to reduce/eliminate most of the standing army and go to more of a Swiss/Israeli model of citizen soldiership.

    •  Well-regulated (6+ / 0-)

      Who said I was using that phrase as defined by the Supreme Court?

      I prefer the dictionary definition--

      b (1) : to bring under the control of law or constituted authority (2) : to make regulations for or concerning
      At least you can count on dictionary definitions not to be generally disputed.

      Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

      by NCJan on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 12:30:37 PM PDT

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    •  Swiss/Israeli model of citizen soldiership. (5+ / 0-)

      Both of which have de facto registration, IIRC.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:37:55 PM PDT

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      •  choices, choices... (0+ / 0-)

        Defacto registration, Swiss has it.  Fully-automatic weapons, Swiss citizens are issued them.  When you reach what, the 40's or 50s and are allowed to retire form the militia they allow you to keep your fully-automatic rifle for a small fee?

        Its a mixed bag if you ask me, but it works for them.  The Swiss also have different cultural additudes about firearms, and a different foreign policy then the US.  

        Interesting to consider though, for both sides of the gun control issue.

        •  I don't think it would work here (0+ / 0-)
          Its a mixed bag if you ask me, but it works for them.
          Another difference is a small population and relative cultural homogeneity. People who aren't swiss, swiss/french, or swiss/german natives can have a very different experience living in Switzerland than the native born do.  One big difference is they rely much more on neighbors ratting on each other than we ever could expect.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 02:53:20 PM PDT

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    •  The Supreme Court also said (3+ / 0-)
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      that many gun control laws are constitutional:

      The Supreme Court was clear in Heller that while law-abiding, responsible citizens have the right to a gun in the home for self defense, there is a wide variety of sensible gun laws that remain constitutional.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 02:13:26 PM PDT

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      •  Laws that keep minors, felons, (1+ / 0-)
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        those declared mentally unsound by a judge, and people with a history of domestic violence away from firearms, totally agree.  Totally sensible.  Universal background checks, totally sensible.  A national foid card, totally sensible.

        Arbitrary magazine limits, arbitrary bans on rifles which look scary, a national registry for all firearms, No, no thank you.

        •  I don't know if non-violent felons will continue (0+ / 0-)

          to be prohibited forever.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 03:16:08 PM PDT

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          •  I have mixed feeling about that... (0+ / 0-)

            Say you committed a victimless crime, say, felony possession of marijuana.  

            On one hand, you've demonstrated that you have no respect for the law, so why should society trust you with following gun laws?

            On the other hand, everyone has a right to self defense.

            A violent offender presents a more clear danger with a gun, they have a track record of hurting people.  A nonviolent offender only has trouble following directions.

            I think a violent criminal has a better chance of using a gun for intentional violence.  A nonviolent criminal has a better chance of messing up and hurting somebody unintentionally.  Yet they both should have the right of self defense...

            cognitive dissonance, I have it for this facet of the issue :(

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