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  •  Heh. (8+ / 0-)

    So that's the transition point from responsible gun owner to irresponsible gun owner. Good to know. Seems like just about everyone who regularly handles a gun is walking a very thin line .

    I bet a lot of gun owners would disagree with you.

    •  thats a bad bet... (0+ / 0-)

      Every owner is responsible for the outcome of the discharge of their weapon.  Every training class, military or civilian, points this out.

      Who is going to argue that?  I haven't met a single gun owner, as a member of the military or as a civilian, who ever thought that way.

      Have you been to a gun range?  Have you seen what goes on there, or heard conversations pertaining to unsafe acts?  Anyone on a range who witnesses an unsafe act call it out.  There's zero tolerance on a hot range for a joker who is being unsafe or careless.  Ranges that have a reputation for letting this go on soon lose a lot of shooters.

    •  Too many of these enthusiasts have become (9+ / 0-)

      dangerous due to their utter certainty that they will not have an accident. Indeed, they seem to believe that only sloppy irrational people have gun accidents.

      “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

      by jeff in nyc on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 12:26:47 PM PDT

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      •  Which is a hallmark of sloppy and careless (3+ / 0-)

        thinking.

        Indeed, they seem to believe that only sloppy irrational people have gun accidents.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:48:01 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah- (1+ / 0-)
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        you really have to wonder if the word "responsible" is the right word to appear before the term "gun-owner?"

        Perhaps............. if the gun owner's gun has not been linked to a shooting he-or-she should be referred to as a------ "So far--so good" gun-owner.

        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

        by lyvwyr101 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 03:47:06 PM PDT

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    •  Not true - (2+ / 0-)

      it's quite possible to be trained to safely and responsibly handle a gun at age 10, like my sibling and I were and for a whole family to go decades (and whole life times) without any unintentional discharges.  IOW, without any injuries, deaths, or property damages.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:47:11 PM PDT

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      •  similar story in my family (1+ / 0-)
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        If you're careful, if you always treat it like it's loaded, and think ahead, you're not going to end up in the gunfail roles.

        •  There is no substitute for parenting (1+ / 0-)

          My sibling and I had to take care of ground hogs. There were a number of rules in place that reduced the potential for problems, one of which, was if we were squabbling neither one of us was allowed out of the house, until we had mutually settled whatever we were fighting about.  

          Disputes got resolved pretty quickly with/without parental involvement.

          Another is that there were two of us and only 1 rifle. We were taught to always be together, literally touching, side by side, before a bullet was ever loaded.

          Honestly, I can't even imagine ever dropping a firearm. But then again we didn't carry it with us every where we went.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 02:59:05 PM PDT

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        •  The problem here--one that I diaried last (1+ / 0-)
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          week--is that outstanding good people who were raised with guns and even credentialed by the state with pretty unusual licenses can be careless. I know my brother was the epitome of perfection of gun responsibility--until a few weeks ago. Again, this doesn't have to do with gun regulation so much as attitudes towards guns.

          “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

          by jeff in nyc on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 06:25:18 PM PDT

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          •  I remember your diary (1+ / 0-)
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            and think your brother is probably very safe, and responsible the vast majority of his hunting and shooting practice.  But I think that in that instance, doing something that was beyond the usual, managing children, and camping, and a loaded firearm, was simply more than his working memory could manage on that day.

            Keeping an eye on multiple children, inside or outside the home, is almost a full-time activity, especially in a new environment. Hopefully, he'll take the close call to heart and change something about his own safe practices to make safety habits a little more redundant. E.g. a gun is unloaded, cleared and laid flat. Then again before bedtime, the gun is checked again, to make sure it is unloaded and lays flat.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 08:44:27 AM PDT

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        •  You are stupidly arrogant if you think you (0+ / 0-)

          cannot have an accident.

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