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  •  I think I've got the way to shut that argument up: (32+ / 0-)

    "They treated them well?  Really?  Were they treated well enough that YOU would like to be treated that way?"

    OR

    "They treated them well?  Really? Were they paid?  Could they move freely?  Were they taught to read and write?"

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:40:14 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, that was my thought too (10+ / 0-)

      I'd certainly go up to the pastor after the service and ask him why he felt the need to mention that the founder "treated his slaves well".

      I'd ask him how he'd like it if he were kept in a place where he was not free to travel, with somebody else controlling everything he did in his life. If he'd like it working for nothing except food and not so great shelter, with no chance in making his life better or that of his children? But he'd be treated "well", so what's not to like?

      Hey, you keep your lawnmower gassed up, and if you "treat it well", you clean it out regularly and change the oil every Spring. You do that to keep it working reliably, but that doesn't mean you consider it to be a human being.

      It's clear to see where this Southern disrespect of our President comes from - it's origin is not hidden very deep. Excellent diary.

      "The only thing we have to fear - is fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      by orrg1 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 04:30:10 AM PDT

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      •  A pastor is a person who has subordinated (9+ / 0-)

        him/herself to an institution. Obedience is a virtue. What is probably not readily apparent is that there is a big difference between choosing to be obedient and being coerced. The use of force to coerce "good" behavior tends to go unrecognized.

        Germans have a common saying, roughly translated as, "if you aren't willing, then I will have to use force." You see how the potential victim of coercion is not only given a choice, but implicitly made responsible for the use of force, a negative.
        Why is this shifting of responsibility from the perpetrator to the victim accepted?  I think pride is to blame. The victim prefers accepting blame to feeling helpless. Being obedient then satisfies the illusion of being in charge -- the commander of one's own soul. It's an insidious strategy, but it does explain how the culture of obedience rules.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 04:56:46 AM PDT

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      •  Yes I know how I am and like my dad said, (0+ / 0-)

        Cheryl likes to steer things up....LOL..( he was from the south but a civil rights activist )..but I would tell him...

        Dad you taught me silence means consent, you taught me steer things up.  

        He would laugh and say, Yes.

        But I am the type who would either try to confront the pastor after the service but more likely call him the next day at the church office or write or email him but probably call and confront. As after a service, sometimes hard to get a pastor alone as their job after service is to greet everybody and go through a receiving line per se quickly.

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        by wishingwell on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:16:14 AM PDT

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