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  •  Point is - he doesn't even know what his (7+ / 0-)

    own money is doing.  If you can't see the irony in that - no matter how great a guy "Kevin" might be, well, it is a free country - except in detroit.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

    by dkmich on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 02:25:03 PM PDT

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    •  This is the kind of bullshit that keeps people (2+ / 0-)
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      from public service.  You've never made a mistake on your taxes?  No one working for you has ever erred?  Have you paid all of your use taxes on things you buy off the internet?  A little late paying a bill or a parking ticket?  

      Is there ONE iota of proof in this story about anything sordid or illegal?  That someone was injured?  We're not talking about tax evasion or bribery.   But there's really no use in arguing.  I'm going to guess from your signature line that you are one of those guys who think Obama's a secret Republican who is out to get you.  Nothing I say is going to stop you from smearing another good African-American Democrat.

      •  NO - and I've never been (2+ / 0-)
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        late with a payment or bounced a check.  You keep harping on sordid and illegal and ignoring the story.  Enjoy your indignation.  

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by dkmich on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 02:42:45 PM PDT

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        •  No, you're making a mountain out of a molehill (2+ / 0-)
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          If you admit that there is nothing sordid or illegal here, just a mistake on taxes that has been fixed, then your whole diary is just a cheap shot, no more so than a diary praising Bank of America for foreclosing because someone made the unforgivable, non-sordid and non-illegal mistake of missing a payment.

          Maybe you walk on water and without error in your personal finances, but that's a hell of a standard to hold the rest of the world to--and one which I highly doubt you'd be taking if not for your dislike of the overall issue.

          •  thanks (3+ / 0-)
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            For your level headed perspective.
            This diary is a cheap shot that means jack.
            Just another fist shaking rant.
            We had a lien placed on our house once for an unpaid water bill we did not know about.
            So this crap is just that...crap.
            What happened to Detroit is heartbreaking.
            And the local officials who keep getting voted in did this.
            I hope someone can fix it .

            We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

            by Christin on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:53:10 PM PDT

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      •  4 times and he's not aware? (9+ / 0-)

        No letter in the mail? No call from his tax accountant?

        Sorry, if you want to place blame, blame the lousy vetting process from our less-than-bright governor.  It took the Detroit News 1 day to find this information.  

        The EFM is undemocratic, the people of the state voted it down, and Snyder and the legislature reinstated it anyway.  Now their chosen guy has tax problems and we are to look the other way.  I AM NOT BUYING IT.

        Imagine all the people, living life in peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. John Lennon

        by GwenM on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:01:49 PM PDT

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        •  So why is the council and mayor supporting him? (1+ / 0-)
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          Could it be that maybe, just maybe, they realize Detroit is in deep trouble, and the guy who is going to help turn it around is actually good-intentioned and wants to help?

          •  They'll support him b/c he'll take the political.. (1+ / 0-)
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            ...hits arising from the decisions he's going to make.

            He'll make all the decisions that will very negatively impact traditional Dem constituencies.  They'll then say that, had they been in a similar position, they could have improved Detroit without slashing the public work force.

            In the end, the onlookers will have ensured their political viability.

            The EFN, by virtue of the decisions he's going to have to make, we'll ensure that he won't ever get elected to any office.

            Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

            by PatriciaVa on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:23:24 PM PDT

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            •  So basically, the city council is frozen (3+ / 0-)
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              And can't do what needs to be done.  Why is that preferable to let them keep doing nothing?  The senate's likewise politically gridlocked and everyone here--me included--wants to bust up the filibuster to get things going.

              So what's the problem?  The elected officials are choosing to cooperate because they want the changes but don't want the political hit.  Detroiters could still elect a new council if they want to have someone come in and fight to do things on their own.  Detroiters can vote to remove Snyder in the next election.  

              Yes, Snyder is an asshole.  And so I understand the impulse to assume that whoever he picks is an asshole.  But I do have to say that the person he picked for the EM role is one of the good guys.  I'm not going to convince a lot of people here (although you can see that I've been on DKos for a long time and am not some RW puppet account), but I do know Kevyn.  You can confirm for yourself online that he's a Democrat and has only supported Democrats financially for office.  I think he can turn things around.  

              •  I don't dispute what you've said re Kevyn (2+ / 0-)
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                And I have no reason to believe that he's anything but a good guy.  Tax snafus?  If Geithner had them, and Dems overlooked that transgression, we certainly can overlook this mistake.

                But this is politics, and his political adversaries will focus on any  perceived weakness to make a political point.  Scrivener, if you were representing the teachers union, and you saw that your members were about to take a potential 40% hit to their salaries, wouldn't you do the same?

                The EFN is about to take one for the team.  Perhaps he never had any political aspirations, so, in the end, it won't really matter,.

                Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

                by PatriciaVa on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:45:50 PM PDT

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                •  And he admitted that. Watch the presser (1+ / 0-)
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                  He said that he knew he was like the "undertaker at the door" and that people were going to hate him.  He's making $275k, but that's definitely far less than what he was earning as a big law firm partner.  

                  I think it's also been pretty clear that he is not just going to ax public servants to keep bondholders whole.  That certainly didn't happen with Chrysler, where a lot of very rich bondholders got pennies on the dollar, while the unions came out pretty good.

          •  They have NO CHOICE (5+ / 0-)

            The state owes Detroit over $200 million, which they will not pay. The industrial tax base was destroyed, Matty Maroun still owns that icon of blight the Central Train Station, and no one is coming to help.  Where is the investment in jobs for this City?

            Watch as they sell off all the public assets of value to balance the books.  

            We keep hearing about the $14.9 billion in long term liabilities.  If we had a thriving tax base, that wouldn't be an issue.

            Mr. Orr seems to have good intentions, but he is making $275,000 per year to understand finances as a professional.  I can tell you, if I had 4 liens against my property in 4 years, I'd be aware.  Snyder's people should have caught this.

            Imagine all the people, living life in peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. John Lennon

            by GwenM on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:24:49 PM PDT

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            •  And that mistake doesn't negate (1+ / 0-)
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              Kevyn's significant, documented expertise with financially distressed entities.  He was one of the guys who kept Chrysler afloat, which all of us Democrats and President Obama rightfully bragged about last year.  

              It's just silly to pretend otherwise, that's why it's a cheap shot.  Was Michael Jordan a shitty basketball player because he flamed out in Minor League Baseball?

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