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  •  We are NOT obligated to kneel before cops! (11+ / 0-)

    We can say ant fucking thing we want to them. Except threats of assault and similar things.

    We are under no obligation to show any submission to police officers whatsoever. That does not mean not follow their orders. But being arrested for not speaking to them with proper deference is not acceptable in any sense.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 07:55:55 AM PDT

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    •  This is a downright stupid attitude... (5+ / 0-)
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      ZenTrainer, dfe, CJ WIHorse, KJB Oregon, a2nite

      When stopped by a police officer, I agree you have neither obligation nor advantage from being obsequiously deferential, but OTOH it's simply prudently wise to present yourself as respectful and unthreatening to the officer, someone who is not going to make this encounter needlessly difficult.  Being respectful and nonthreatening does NOT of course mean you are under any obligation to give consent to searches or waive your privilige not to be interrogated beyond giving them your name and id.

      If you don't understand the difference between treating an officer with personal respect for his office versus obsequious deference, you're in for some needlessly hard times when you get stopped.  My brother-in-law is a former highway patrolman, and I learned a good deal about police perspectives when they stop someone from him.  They deal far too often with difficult, even dangerous bona fide assholes, and the sooner you come across as at worst an ordinary citizen who oopsed up about something, the easier and better the encounter will likely go.

      •  Here's to stupid people! (2+ / 0-)
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        Hubbard Squash, reflectionsv37

        If everyone would just be smart and do what the man says, do you think we'd live in a better world? What Rosa Parks did was "stupid" but I'm sure glad she did it.

        Senate rules which prevent any reform of the filibuster are unconstitutional. Therefore, we can rein in the filibuster tomorrow with 51 votes.

        by homunq on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 11:39:24 AM PDT

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