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  •  You would think so (12+ / 0-)

    A few theories on why have been proposed.

    The best one is that drivers like Long, who are unsponsored with little power, could out qualify a couple teams with sponsors and send them packing.  It looks bad for NASCAR if sponsored cars miss the field as it might bring less money into the sport.

    It's just ridiculous though.  It was an EXHIBITION race and didn't provide a competitive advantage.  One quote by Long (this article by the way is a far better explanation I think):

    "What bothers me and everybody else that's been in the garage area, there's things with lots of teams where there was not an intent to cheat -- and they worked with the teams," Long explained. "They worked with the crew chiefs. I've seen so much stuff. I even know a race team that had motors a lot bigger than mine, that for one reason or another they had to try to keep their sponsor and they wasn't running so good. Then, all of a sudden, they run 13th, and NASCAR -- I mean, there's some people at NASCAR that inspected the things, and you never heard nothing about it because it was good for the sport. They didn't win, but they retained their sponsor, and a bunch of guys retained their jobs."

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    by RVKU on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56:02 AM PDT

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    •  A very plausible scenario. NASCAR want's to make (10+ / 0-)

      a point but not hurt the big money flow so they come down hard for a serious violation on the little guy.   Sends a message to the big boys we aren't going to tolerate this so you're warned.  But if they were just sending a message you'd think NASCAR would work with the little guy to get him racing somehow. And/or the big guys would be grateful for the little taking a bullet for them.  Neither of those things happened so it looks more like either it was really serious violation or they are just crushing anyone but the big money flows.  But I can't see why they'd even mess with what is basically a fly on an elephant.  What a great NASCAR story it would make for the little guy to win or do well against the big boys.  NASCAR fans could relate.  Something just doesn't make sense.  Thanks for writing about this.  

      Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

      by thestructureguy on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:42:52 PM PDT

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      •  Serious violation? (0+ / 0-)


        they are just crushing anyone but the big money flows
        On the surface, it seems like a dumb violation.  A simple math problem:
        Displacement = Pi X (D/2)^2 X T X 8  where
        D = piston diameter
        T = crankshaft throw
        8 = the number of cylinders

        And the explanation above?  Metal expands when it heats?  Yes it does, of course.  The pistons get bigger, but the cylinder walls move inward too.  Officials measured hot pistons?

        Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

        by Helpless on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 08:21:43 AM PDT

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        •  Metal expands not the area of the cylinder (0+ / 0-)

          The displacement volume would get smaller if the engine was hot, not larger.

          •  Right (0+ / 0-)

            So if officials measured cylinder diameter the displacement would be less when hot.  But if they measured hot pistons, the displacement would be more.

            I guess the crankshaft throw would increase when hot too.


            Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

            by Helpless on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 10:30:25 AM PDT

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            •  Um, no (0+ / 0-)

              There is no circumstance where expanding metal is going to increase the displacement. The displacement is the volume of empty space. The space is created by the metal surrounding it. And expansion of any of the metal would reduce the space, including the pistons. In any case, the measuring protocol would account for that, I'm sure.

              •  a nit (0+ / 0-)

                You are correct.  However, the comment was that the fine resulted from measuring a hot engine.  The only ways I see that this could happen without a measuring error would be to

                1. Measure piston diameter.  This would give a figure a few thousandths less than a direct measurement of the cylinder diameter -- a larger difference in a cold engine than when hot. This would be an incorrect procedure because piston rings fill the space between the piston and cylinder walls so the area swept is indeed the diameter of the cylinder.

                2. The crank shaft throw increased enough when hot to matter more than the decrease in cylinder diameter.  

                Either way, it sounds like a bogus claim to me.  I can't imagine officials handling a hot engine to do their measurements.

                Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

                by Helpless on Tue Mar 19, 2013 at 10:40:45 AM PDT

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