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  •  Why is there argument about this? (1+ / 0-)
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    madhaus

    Since most rapes and sexual assaults are never even reported, I don't think any of the men contesting the diary need to worry.

    I assumed the diarist was exaggerating for effect and not being completely literal. But the law in the state the case was tried is pretty clear -- if she's drunk, it's rape.

    So none of the comparisons to wives, girlfriends, or consensual sex partners apply here -- this was the case of two teens taking advantage of a girl who was PASSED OUT -- not tipsy, not a little drunkish, but not even away of what was happening to her, and clearly not able to even fight back.

    There's a shit load of sexism expressed in the comments, which is so disturbing for a progressive blog site!!

    I say if you are ever in doubt about a woman's consent, BACK OFF.  You will have sex (consensual sex) again.

    Finally, to those dudes who keep splitting hairs, what if another guy (someone physically stronger than you) took advantage of you while you were passed out? Would you just say, shit happens?

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 08:06:09 PM PDT

    •  Please re-read (3+ / 0-)
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      You won't find a single comment arguing that having sex with someone who is passed out is not rape. The issue is that some people seem to think that any ingestion of any amount of any substance capable of causing impaired judgement is the same thing as having sex with an unconscious person. I don't call that splitting hairs.

      •  But the law (0+ / 0-)

        in the state where the case we're all talking about was tried says it was rape. They didn't need to measure her alcohol level to make that determination. The problem with resistance to the issue of impairment contributing to rape is that no man can know with any certainty how impaired a woman is, whether she has had one, two, three or more drinks. He can't know what she's experiencing internally, and as we all know, different people have very different levels of tolerance for alcohol. That's why I said, if there's any doubt, men should take a step back and walk away. Depending on the state you're in, going ahead with sex could be criminal. (And I am NOT talking about girlfriends or wives who consent to sex while inebriated.)

        The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

        by LiberalLady on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 08:40:22 PM PDT

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    •  Who's splitting hairs about being passed out? (3+ / 0-)
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      flycaster, Mark Mywurtz, FrankRose

      Perhaps I missed the comments, but I haven't seen anyone questioning the fact that being passed out removes one's ability to consent.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 08:45:50 PM PDT

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