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  •  Matthew 19 and Probably Either Mark or Luke (2+ / 0-)
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    ProvokingMeaning, SilentBrook

    since they have the same core source.

    He had just finished forbidding divorce.

    10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.... He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”
    A little more hesitant than I put it, so he's making celibacy a rare ideal.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 06:27:29 PM PDT

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    •  Less of an ideal than something that is, actually. (3+ / 0-)
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      It's more a statement that some people, by nature or by physical damage or because they feel called to do something else instead just weren't suited to marriage as it existed then (and still mainly does, for that matter) with mandatory sexual activities between the spouses.

      There was no judgment made by Jesus on whether people in that unmarried and celibate category were better or worse than anyone else in God's eyes. He was just stating that they exist.

      In context, he was basically telling those listening that while some people naturally will not marry, fear or not being able to get divorced is not in and of itself a good reason to skip marrying when you otherwise want to.

      And that statement is just in Matthew. A number of celibate asexuals (myself included) believe they are who he was talking about in the 'by nature' category, there are others who think he was talking about exclusively gay people with no opposite-sex interest or even active repulsion, and there are probably other pro-QUILTBAG interpretations I haven't heard. If it was in any of the other gospels, it would have been referenced in those posts.

      Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

      by Cassandra Waites on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 08:22:18 PM PDT

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