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  •  Yeah, just like it went with guns, right? (5+ / 0-)

    Where he made a big speech, took some unilateral actions, and then outlined the path forward for Congress?

    How'd that go?

    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 05:18:24 PM PDT

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    •  It went poorly, mostly because... (10+ / 0-)

      this nation is gun-obsessed and the optics of an AA president, and a democrat, championing gun control during these uncertain times is a non-starter.

      Comparing that fight to Social Security that enjoy broad, bipartisan support is facile at best.
      Are you suggesting the Obama administration is not supporting SS/Medicare more vociferously b/c they fear republicans would win?

      lmfao, please tell me that's your argument...
      Seriously, you made me lol.

    •  More specifically... (7+ / 0-)

      are you suggesting the Obama WH wants to support SS/Medicare but is wary of the fight because they couldn't win in the court of public opinion?

      They can't convince the public to protect SS/Medicare against the GOP's plan to raise age of eligibility?

      Is that your argument?

    •  Actually, what he did on guns is what he is (0+ / 0-)

      really, really good at:

      Said some nice words that led people to believe he wanted action on guns, but then really didn't.

      "They deserve a vote," does not equal, "I demand action! I demand doing Action A, Action B because the American People demand A & B and they deserve A & B!"

      And we cannot call him out for lying, because they'll point to the transcript: "They deserve a vote."

      And a vote came along. Sure enough, it did!

      Too bad nothing ever came of it, because there was no real leadership behind the meaningless applause-line words.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 10:24:27 PM PDT

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      •  That's unfair, YucatanMan... (1+ / 0-)
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        He is a politician, but he's not completely craven and he's not a monster. I certainly don't blame him for being unable to secure an AWB--there are huge forces pushing back against him(NRA, Dem Senators from gun-friendly states facing reelection in '14, Senate Majority leader/Sen Judiciary Chairman who are from gun-friendly states, etc.).

        He can't be expected to undo the USA's centuries-old tradition of gun obsession with the wave of his hand. And there is a real paranoia out there, that treats all things-Obama as apocalyptic.

        From all appearances, he tried to get something substantial enacted on guns.

        •  Btw, I've been hard on President Obama... (2+ / 0-)
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          for his stance on austerity.
          And deservedly so.

          I also blasted Nancy Pelosi upthread for pushing these cuts---she's no innocent. But there are many, many others involved in this grand bargain, either through their open support*, or their tacit acquiescence.

          Question: Where is Senator Gillibrand on this?
          She's from a solidly blue state, is newly elected and has sought support of the left by posting on this website, inter alia.

          Has she pledged to vote against any bill that includes cuts/reductions to Social Security and Medicare? If not, why?


          *For example Senator Warner is drooling at the change to slash these programs---but I never hear anyone blame him for the Grand Bargain:

          As Murray’s Budget Committee began considering her proposals Wednesday, Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) argued — to the “consternation” of people “on my side,” he said — that Democrats will have to do more to prevent Social Security and Medicare from bankrupting the nation as the population ages.

          “I share the belief of even my most progressive colleagues that Medicare and Social Security are among the greatest programs ever implemented. But I also believe that the basic math around them doesn’t work anymore,” Warner said.

          It's not all Obama's fault, a huge coalition w/in the Democratic Party supports austerity.


        •  History is littered with politicians who came out (0+ / 0-)

          fighting for something that was necessary or unpopular and swayed the nation, the people, or a couple policians.

          I agree an AWB is a tough-road today, but there are plenty of other measures he could have put a hard demand upon and followed up with arm-twisting politics.

          Fact is, he is not an arm-twisting politician.  And he's fully willing to walk back on his very own positions, because "the deal" is more important to him than his own stated goals.

          He's done that exact same thing - as describe above and walking back his own goals without even being asked - over and over.  We've got over four years of experience with him now.

          He wants a deal, not a fight.  If it comes down to it, he drops his own demands (and even before it comes down to it).

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 07:16:42 PM PDT

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