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  •  I've long felt that way too (27+ / 0-)

    I think some black conservatives do this because, with an overwhelming number of blacks on the liberal side, they're nothing special. But as a conservative, they can be a showpony and an exhibit to prove "Hey, we conservatives aren't racist" and they can speak at all the major events and make lot of money. I always wondered about Ken Blackwell, the African-American extreme conservative who ran for Ohio governor in 2006 (lost by 22 points, heh heh). He started his political career on the left and gradually moved over until he was on the far right. And despite serving in public office for his entire career, with his highest position secretary of state, he managed to be a multi-millionaire by the time he left office.

    Jon Husted is a dick.

    by anastasia p on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 04:20:45 PM PDT

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    •  New one on that side: Ben Carson (14+ / 0-)

      he gave the commencement speech at my graduation 21 years ago and I tell you I never would have pegged him for a Republican, even then.

      Nice work if you can get it.

      Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

      by stitchmd on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 04:25:34 PM PDT

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    •  as an aside, nearly all the founders of the neocon (2+ / 0-)
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      movement were former Trotskyites. Then they became Democrats and worked for Scoop Jackson.

      The hyper-authoritarianism of the looney left isn't very different from that of the looney right.

      •  looney left? where are these folks, i wanna talk (3+ / 0-)
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        Howard Fineman needs to have a chat with Chris Cilizza about Grecian Formula and its effects on punditry

        by memofromturner on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 04:57:58 PM PDT

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        •  Try the Symbionese Liberation Army (3+ / 0-)
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          There were some others around that time. They had disappeared after the Vietnam War ended and Nixon resigned.

          There were the communists of various stripes in the 30's, too, but they disappeared after the unions kicked them out, the Democrats disavowed them and the federal government under J. Edgar Hoover went big time McCarthyist on them. The organizations were destroyed and the ideas they offered became grounds for loss of security clearances.

          The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

          by Rick B on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 08:40:38 PM PDT

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      •  Really? Hyper-authoritarians on the left? Where? (9+ / 0-)

        Point me in their direction! Who on the left thinks the Soviet Union or Communist China is the model to emulate? Do tell!
        They've gotta have a website!

        (See, when you say shit like "looney left," we know you listen to Bill O'Reilly and don't know jack about the actual progressive movement.)

        If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

        by rhetoricus on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 05:24:37 PM PDT

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        •  here's a few: (3+ / 0-)
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          Communist Party USA
          Revolutionary Communist Party
          Progressive Labor Party
          International Socialist Organization
          Socialist Workers Party
          Maoist Internationalist Movement
          Revolutionary Workers League
          Socialist Alternative
          US Marxist-Leninist Organization
          Workers World Party

          All of them are Maoist, Trotskyist, or Stalinist. They think the Soviet Union, or Communist China, or Communist Cuba, are a good model to emulate.  And all are authoritarian (many of them are essentially run by one person). And you can meet them at virtually any large protest in DC, New York, San Francisco, and most other places.

          Methinks you  don't know quite so much as you think you do . . . .

          PS--since I myself am a Marxist, it's not their marxism that I think makes them looney---it's their rigid doctrinaire centralist hyper-authoritarianism.

          •  Well, hell. (0+ / 0-)

            Maybe I don't know as much as I thought I did after all. I've worked on the left for a very long time and never met a defender of totalitarianism or violent overthrow. The furthest to the left I've encountered are folks who advocate Democratic Socialism as it's seen in Scandinavia today. Some may call themselves Marxists, but they believe Soviet Union and China betrayed Marxism.

            These you mentioned must have had their heyday a good while ago?

            If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

            by rhetoricus on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 10:04:28 AM PDT

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            •  I don't know how you missed them---I run into them (0+ / 0-)

              all the time.  They were at every large Occupy rally I was ever at, and they are regulars at any decent-sized protest or demonstration in DC or New York or San Fran.

              These you mentioned must have had their heyday a good while ago?
              The entire progressive left in the US (such as it is) had its heyday a long time ago. Now most "liberals" are just Eisenhower Republicans who aren't old enough to have ever even SEEN a real political Left. (shrug)
            •  Leftist in the US (1+ / 0-)
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              are the conservatist everywhere else.

              •  that is very true (1+ / 0-)
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                If the people who yell and scream about "the radical left" in the US were to go overseas and see a REAL radical left, they'd shit their pants in terror.

                •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

                  Must be why kos was SO annoyed with ANSWER's influence and control over the anti-Iraq invasion demonstrations.

                  I missed these authoritarian guys probably because I haven't often lived in a big city, and when I have, I've been mostly confined within academic circles, where you have your self-proclaimed Marxists, but they're philosophers, not pro-authoritarian or pro-violence revolutionaries. Even edgy, wild, open events like Burning Man wouldn't be terribly welcoming to pro-authoritarians.

                  I looked up those groups you mentioned and I almost had trouble believing they were real and not provocateur fronts. Creepy that it kind of gives credence to the FOX News "communio-fascist" conflations. Totalitarianism looks pretty much the same whatever flavor it comes in, doesn't it? I mean, the "communist" Soviets weren't exactly kinder and gentler than the WW2 fascists? Yeeks.

                  It does seem like the right wing is looking to lump the entire progressive movement with the groups you mention.

                  If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

                  by rhetoricus on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:40:55 PM PDT

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                  •  this was my entire point: (1+ / 0-)
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                    Totalitarianism looks pretty much the same whatever flavor it comes in, doesn't it?
                    That is why the neocons had no trouble jumping from the Trots to the Birchers.  They share the same sort of authoritarian nuttiness. The looney right isn't very different from the looney left.

                    An ironic example of that is Hitler's Nazis.  The official name of the Nazi Party is the "National Socialist German Workers Party".  Note the leftist name.  The Nazis were, in their early history, a weird conglomeration of both radical left AND radical right activists.  It wasn't until the Night of the Long Knives, when Rohm and his leftwing cohorts were all killed (in what was more a personal/factional power fight than a real ideological fight), that the Nazis became the rightwing party we know and hate today.

                    It does seem like the right wing is looking to lump the entire progressive movement with the groups you mention.
                    They've always done that.  Since the 1840's.  (shrug)
                    •  It's helpful to be able to clarify that.. (1+ / 0-)
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                      centralized authoritarianism is the common thread, rather than trying to argue that "right" and "left" are opposites, so there is no value to the comparison.

                      This really illustrates how unhelpful, ultimately, the terms "right" and "left" are.

                      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

                      by rhetoricus on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 02:58:46 PM PDT

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      •  They were Trots? (2+ / 0-)
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        They always kind of impressed me as Stalinists.

    •  a "black conservative" will never be unemployed (15+ / 0-)

      Howard Fineman needs to have a chat with Chris Cilizza about Grecian Formula and its effects on punditry

      by memofromturner on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 04:57:00 PM PDT

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    •  He's a multi-millionaire??!! My opinion of him (7+ / 0-)

      is even lower than before.  Didn't realize that was possible.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 05:15:00 PM PDT

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    •  Newt Gingrich started as a Democrat (3+ / 0-)
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      if you will recall. And lost. Then he found that there was a lot of money floating around to support conservatives so he developed a conservative "patter" to sway the rubes and a career was born.

      Most of the minority conservatives seem to me to be bought minions of wealthy conservatives trying to make inroads into the minority vote.

      The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 08:30:40 PM PDT

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    •  True conservative (0+ / 0-)
      I think some black conservatives do this because, with an overwhelming number of blacks on the liberal side, they're nothing special. But as a conservative, they can be a showpony and an exhibit to prove "Hey, we conservatives aren't racist" and they can speak at all the major events and make lot of money.
      So you think only some conservatives consciously decide to abandon inferior peoples for the pursuit of wealth and fame. Then they develop an ideology that justifies their ambition at the expense of others. No, that makes him a true conservative.

      If we abandon our allies and their issues, who will defend us and ours?

      by Bryce in Seattle on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 11:25:44 PM PDT

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    •  Right on about Ken Blackwell. (0+ / 0-)

      A man with no beliefs whatsoever. Wonder if he kept his dashiki from college?

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