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  •  "Them" represent the will of the American people. (1+ / 0-)
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    Denial is a drug.

    by Pluto on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:19:30 PM PDT

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    •  They don't, though, and that's the problem (6+ / 0-)

      Background checks have vast approval in recent polls (91% if memory serves me).  If they were representing us, at a minimum, background checks would have flown through Congress.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:24:29 PM PDT

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      •  I rely on actual votes rather than polls. (1+ / 0-)
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        It's where the rubber meets the road.

        The American people are yanked this way and that, emotionally, by their tiny view of the world via Anglo-spin media. Polls taken during those times reflect the emotional reactions du jour.

        But when they show up at the polls, they vote the old fashioned way -- out of fear and hope.

        Americans who vote -- vote their hearts and minds. When I look at Congress, I see the true character of the American people.

        Don't you?



        Denial is a drug.

        by Pluto on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:35:38 PM PDT

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    •  I think you have the US confused with (6+ / 0-)

      a representative democracy. We are not. We are a delagatory democracy. We do not elect people to represent our interests, although they may promise to do things we agree should be done when campaigning. We elect people to whom to delegate our franchise.

      We elect officials to study the issues and substitute their opinion for ours. The 'will of the American people' as expressed in polls, letters to the editor, what have you, are only one part of the many things an elected politician takes into consideration when voting on issues in our name.

      So, yeah, if they miss this opportunity to revamp our ridiculous open-season gun laws, it definitely is on them. They have the votes that count. The 'will of the American people' does not.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:37:44 PM PDT

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      •  Would you say (2+ / 0-)
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        ...that they look out the window at their constituents in their various camps and say to themselves:  "Which vote will hurt my chances for re-election?"

        Or, do they say:  "Forget about them. I'll vote my personal opinion."

        Do they vote with the lobbyist that seduced them the best?

        Do they vote with their caucus across the board?

        Do they bend over under the party whip?

        You know, since America does not have a government based on representative democracy -- it has to be one or more of the above.



        Denial is a drug.

        by Pluto on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:54:50 PM PDT

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        •  Probably all of the above in varying degrees. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

          by Orinoco on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 07:38:48 PM PDT

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