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  •  This is not a diary about illegal guns. (4+ / 0-)

    It does however address the specious arguments made by the NYPD and the Mayor that stop and frisk is addressing illegal guns.

    The data proves them false.

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    by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 11:38:36 AM PDT

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    •  Of course not. But...If stopping gun violence (1+ / 0-)
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      really is on our minds -- and maybe it's not -- it's appropriate to ask the question any time something gets us thinking about it.

      And -- getting rid of illegal guns will require police action of some kind. Stop and frisk makes a nice entry point to the question: "Can we do that without tromping all over the constitution?"

      Laws are lovely.  If we can't enforce them, they are pointless.

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      by dinotrac on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 12:47:47 PM PDT

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      •  I can think of plenty ways to (1+ / 0-)
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        address gun violence that don't require draconian stop and frisk laws.

        The whole point of this case, and Daniels that preceded it - is that the data proves they aren't finding guns.

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        by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 12:58:37 PM PDT

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        •  Was not defending stop and frisk, but stopping (0+ / 0-)

          gun violence -- actually making a difference instead of patting ourselves on the back for doing, something, by gosh! is going to require some uncomfortable conversations.

          Addressing it is nice, doing something to stop it is better.

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          by dinotrac on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:13:32 PM PDT

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      •  Still trying to figure our how this isn't... (0+ / 0-)

        OT, since the policy being discussed isn't about stopping gun violence. That said, the mayor's army has been doing good work tracking weapon trafficking and illicit sales down the I-95 corridor.

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        by 2020adam on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 12:40:49 PM PDT

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