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  •  She Handed him the gun (11+ / 0-)

    She handed it to him, after the kids were gone. And then he took it and went after them again.

    SO, let me get this straight.

    Teens (young adults) drove a car.
    They may or may not have cut off another driver.
    The other driver then follows them for 25 miles?
    With a woman, who may or may not be his spouse or other family member, in the car.
    And for the 25 miles of following, There's no discussion of how this is a bad idea?
    They pull up behind the youth and due takes a swing at the driver who is behind the wheel.
    Kid in the back and driver jump out and more fists are thrown, kicking, too.
    Woman gets out, with gun (I swear I heard it go off, possibly in the air, but I could be wrong).
    She shows the fun, the youths retreat.
    Dude who was on the ground is HANDED the GUN BY THE WOMAN.
    They same something to each other but I don't understand what.
    He proceeds to aim the gun at the youths who are now off screen.

    I'm not sure how this is self defense. If they had still been there, he may have shot one of them.

    But in the course of following them, no discussion?

    And when she knows it's all over and there's no longer any risk to him because she turns her back to the youths, she hands him the gun. I get adrenaline rushing, but the only reason to give him the gun after the youths are gone is encourage a shooting. That's insane.

    •  That is why (12+ / 0-)

      she got charged with two counts of assault as well.

      Some people have short memories

      by lenzy1000 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 02:01:16 PM PDT

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    •  Even better (7+ / 0-)

      there was a four year in their car with them.

      "No one has the right to spend their life without being offended." Philip Pullman

      by zaynabou on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 02:09:30 PM PDT

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    •  Guys like this asshole do not "discuss" (5+ / 0-)

      things with their spouses or girlfriends.  They tell them and expect obediance.  

      It was nice seeing those two kids tear into that redneck POS.  Those kids gave him all the discussion he needed.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 02:15:47 PM PDT

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      •  I hate that I agree with you, (2+ / 0-)
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        because I don't like seeing kids involved in violence like that, but the guy walked up and asked for it.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 02:40:36 PM PDT

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      •  Let's not downplay Christy Turner's actions. (1+ / 0-)
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        She chose to arm herself, exit the vehicle she was in - leaving a four year-old child unattended - and advanced on the fight her husband initiated. She then yelled at the other parties to leave her husband alone, and when her husband asked for the gun, she gave it to him.

        To suggest otherwise - that she had no choice but to involve herself in the incident, escalate the matter by introducing a firearm, and was powerless to prevent her husband from taking said firearm - is to suggest that she had no agency in the matter and is effectively free from culpability.

        •  I'm not suggesting otherwise (0+ / 0-)

          My response is directed at the idea that this guy and his woman were discussing what to do while following the kids home.  Guys like that are too angry to discuss anything, much less with a woman.  There is no reasoning with a redneck POS like him.

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 06:32:43 PM PDT

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          •  That still sounds like denial of her agency. (0+ / 0-)

            Christy Turner armed herself, left the safety of her vehicle, and attempted to take control of a melee; all in a matter of seconds. These do not strike me as the actions of a cowed woman.

            Putting this aside however; let us assume that she was indeed unable to reason with her husband during the course of the pursuit of the teenagers. What others courses of action did she have available to her, and why did she not take them?

            She could have asked her husband to leave her and their daughter at the wayside. She might have had a cellphone on which to dial the emergency services; especially once her husband had left their vehicle. At the same time, she could have left the vehicle with her child and sought help.

            On the contrary, she very clearly ran to his defense. It appears, at least to me, that her inaction - and later, armed action - is strongly indicative of culpability.

            •  Battered wife syndrome (0+ / 0-)

              doesn't work like that.

              She wouldn't tell him to drop her off because that would trigger his rage.  

              It's significant IMO that she brought the gun to her husband.  In a relationship among equals, she wouldn't need to hand the gun to him, she would brandish herself.  Giving the gun to him smacks of subservience.

              Of course I'm speculating and it could be that she's the one who convinced him to follow the kids.  Not likely, but possible.

              "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

              by Subterranean on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 10:59:02 AM PDT

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              •  I can understand that. (0+ / 0-)

                However, this is specifically why I stated that once Bradley Turner had parked and exited their vehicle with the intent of confronting the teenagers, that Christy Turner could have also taken her child and left the scene. She could most likely have done so without her husband noticing.

                I would also add, in reviewing the video, that she appears quite distinctly to be coming to her husband's aid, rather than merely seeking to supply him with a weapon. Although we cannot see her actions as she exits the vehicle, she can clearly be heard instructing the teenagers to leave her husband alone; and they appear to comply, possibly because it has come to their attention that she is armed. Furthermore, although she does not brandish the weapon on camera per se, she does raise the device and appears to be undertaking some sort of action to either make it firing ready (or possibly unready).

                While I do agree that it is interesting that Christy handed her husband the weapon, this does not necessarily indicate subservience. For instance, it may be that her husband is the chief firearms operator of the family; hence, she felt it appropriate he should take ownership of the weapon.

                And let us assume that she was instead subservient to the point of blindly handing a clearly irrational individual an extremely dangerous device. How did she become subservient? Did Christy Turner not make past choices in her life that culminated in this particular point?

                I do have to agree however that we are speculating. It will be interesting to see how the case for the Turners proceeds, and especially whether the two of them stand together or turn on one another and the legal pressure mounts.

    •  they followed the kids to their home (1+ / 0-)
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      really bad juu-ju

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