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  •  Well said (5+ / 0-)

    Had to log in after several months of lurking for the purpose of rec'ing your comment.

    And, yes, the Pope is Still Catholic, Franco is still dead, and the Church still has a giant mess on its hands.  There are still monied interests corrupting the faith and much of it is an inside job.  And this is not limited to the Roman Church--it's a much more visible and pervasive target.

    Criticism of the new guy is one thing (prominent and constant agitation for reform is one of the best ways to foment change).  Hysterical conclusions reminiscent of the fiction of Dan Brown is something else. "Curveball" had better evidence of Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction than this diary has to make the case that PF will be a tool of Opus Dei.

    The Diarist has an agenda.  Fair enough.  In making her patient case against the very-real evils of the Church hieracy, she rouses passions.  Fair enough again.  Neither fact justifies the ensuing hysteria over what PF hasn't done yet nor does it justify the "make shit up" pile-on as with the charge of papal infallibility.  We who post here should know better.

    President Barack Obama...I like the sound of that.

    by aloha and mahalo on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 07:45:38 AM PDT

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    •  I have already written several diaries about (3+ / 0-)

      Opus Dei and there have been scores of articles and books about Opus Dei control in the Church. Most folks already familiar with the Catholic Church are already familiar with Opus Dei. Just as when diarists write about the GOP, there are expectations that most DailyKos readers know who the Koch brothers are, or Adelson, or Bain Capital, etc. etc.

      •  I know you have written before (2+ / 0-)
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        about Opus Dei.  I have read your work.  The way you construct your arguments have generally been impressive.  It is this diary that I find a little lacking.

        It basically attacks O'Malley, Teresa, JP2, and Ratzinger, et al, and then lumps them in with PF assuming they all are guilty of the same crimes.  I think you realize that your guilt by association arguments were a little thin, so you added some poorly-sourced quotes from PF's past to bolster it.  You've already had to remove one quote (which you only acknowledge in the comments).

        I understand where you are going with this.  If you made the overall point that the media shouldn't fall in love with PF just because he talks about washing prisoners' feet and he lives modestly, you would have a great diary.  But I think when you make strained arguments linking PF to OD, etc., you overreach yourself and distract from an otherwise excellent point.

        Just my $0.02.  Keep writing.

        President Barack Obama...I like the sound of that.

        by aloha and mahalo on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 11:49:46 AM PDT

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        •  I think you've missed the point or I wasn't clear (0+ / 0-)

          enough. I didn't lump them all together. The comparison with O'Malley shows that "humility" doesn't equate with either changing structures which help the poor nor actually using the Church money to help them. The comparison with Mother Teresa and Communion and Liberation is that Bergoglio's idea of "charity" is to proselytize, build up the institutional Church and wield a political agenda. The comparison with JPII is that gestures can be both meaningless and deceiving. Neither Wojtyla nor Bergoglio showed any spine in opposing oppression; they are both inclined to "go along" and for Bergoglio that means a future obedience to the puppet masters just like John Paul.

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