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  •  And one that seems immortal. (0+ / 0-)

    From the time it came along, I had an idea that we'd never really get rid of it--that punk (in the largest sense) would have its place at the acme of hip locked in and it would never have to face any real loss of favor.  And to top it off, it makes hippie-bashing cool, doing much of the Reaganite Establishment's work for it.  It's the biggest own-goal in pop culture history, and no one seems to realize it.

    The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

    by Panurge on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 08:13:13 PM PDT

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    •  It doesn't sound to me (2+ / 0-)
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      as a person who has been part of the punk rock world for over 30 years, that either you or Doc Gonzo actually know many punx.

      Michelle Shocked was that ultimate manifestation of hippie culture, the folky-singer-songwriter.  That's something which has no place in  punk, but is 50%+ of the hippie iconography, so your attempt to play the victim of the evil punx looks an awful lot like projection from where I sit.

      Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

      by ActivistGuy on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 09:26:38 PM PDT

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      •  For Over 30 Years (1+ / 0-)
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        Oh, I've know many "punx". Seeing over 5000 shows in NYC, SF and elsewhere for over 30 years myself, college in the 80s, it was as unavoidable as cold sores.

        Punk is a fashion, a style. It's "the great rock & roll swindle". Music is the last piece to fit into the act, and it's usually pretty bad. In fact, the worse the better, right punk? That's more "authentic". And quality is so elitist.

        Shocked is a poser, which is what punk rock is. The parts of punk rock that are rebellion, independence, honesty - that's just rock & roll. Pretending you invented it, that you're better than the other rock rebels before, after and during your act - that's punk rock. When her fan said her crashing the party that disinvited her for being an asshole was "so punk rock", and she agreed, they were right.

        And the hippie bashing. Big part of the punk rock pose. Really putting it to the man by bashing hippies - when there aren't any around.

        Why does the "folky singer songwriter" have no place in punk? There are plenty of punk singer songwriters. I guess it's the "folky" part? Because punk all has to be angry, high energy, new stuff, right?

        30 years among the "punx" and somehow you don't know about Patti Smith, because according to you she has no place in punk.

        You're about as real as hip hop.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 10:00:39 PM PDT

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        •  There are some who appear to believe. (0+ / 0-)

          So I'm not going to put it down utterly.  I'm not going to argue against anything in particular, I'm just going to contest the notions that (1) learning is somehow bad and part of an Establishment scheme to coopt rock, and (2) that hippies (and the trajectory beginning with them) had thereby become the enemy.  Something bad had, in fact, started to happen by then, but the answer was to get back on course, not to crash the car and start walking.

          The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

          by Panurge on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 09:18:40 AM PDT

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      •  No. (0+ / 0-)

        The folky singer-songwriter is Greenwich Village, not Haight-Ashbury.  Unless you mean someone like Dan Fogelberg, who's clearly not Michelle Shocked's artistic model.  

        To call it "projection" is to say that punk (which I never called "evil", thank you) is somehow MY victim--a notion that my utter cultural dispossession and alienation in its wake completely belies, thank you very much.

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

        by Panurge on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 09:15:46 AM PDT

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