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  •  So, treat it like alcohol (10+ / 0-)
    science is unsettled as to the impact of heavy use on young developing brains
    Well, we damn well KNOW that heavy alcohol use damages young developing brains . . . and older ones too, for that matter.  Yet alcohol is legal, but sold in a regulated, controlled fashion.

    Prohibition was repealed not because alcohol was harmless, but rather because illegal alcohol was more damaging to society than legalised alcohol.

    I don't doubt that cannabis can be harmful, and I'm unimpressed with the "it's a cure for everything!" crowd. However, I can't see how legal MJ could possibly cause as much destruction as has been created by its prohibition.

    •  Why repeat the mistakes of the past? (0+ / 0-)

      We are stuck with the bane of alcohol abuse, alcohol-related highway deaths, lung cancer from cigarette smoking.  To the extent we have regulations on any of these, it took decades and decades to enact them over the power of the Tobacco and Alcohol lobbies.  Decades that had a human cost.

      Willy-nilly legalization of recreational MJ when we do not have solid science is not just unwise - it is immoral.  On the one hand you have recreational pleasure.  On the other you have potentially adverse human health impacts.  

      A decision on what that balance is should be made based on science, not on who can get the most votes in a referendum.  

      "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

      by FDRDemocrat on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:00:38 PM PDT

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      •  What mistake? (7+ / 0-)

        Are you seriously proposing that alcohol prohibition should have been kept in place?

        And are you completely unwilling to recognise the costs imposed on society by prohibitionist policies?

      •  60 years of research, and you say we do not (2+ / 0-)
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        Hammerhand, nota bene

        have "solid science"?

        income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

        by JesseCW on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:26:47 PM PDT

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      •  We're not repeating mistakes. (7+ / 0-)

        Why Medical Marijuana Laws Reduce Traffic Deaths

        States that legalize medical marijuana see fewer fatal car accidents, according to a new study, in part because people may be substituting marijuana smoking for drinking alcohol.

        Sixteen states and the District of Columbia, have legalized medical marijuana since the mid-1990s. For the new study, economists looked at 1990-2009 government data on marijuana use and traffic deaths in the 13 states that had passed legalization laws during that time period. The data were from the National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

        Read more:

        Story on Alternet
        Media Ignored Expert's Shocking Findings That Marijuana Helps Prevent Lung Cancer: Now It's Med-School Material
        UCLA professor Donald Tashkin will share his research discoveries to medical students this week.
        October 24, 2012  |  

        You'd think it would have been very big news in the spring of 2005 when Donald Tashkin, a professor of pulmonology at UCLA's David Geffin School of Medicine, revealed at a conference that components of marijuana smoke, although they damage cells in respiratory tissue, somehow prevent them from becoming malignant. But headlines announcing "Pot Doesn't Cause Cancer" did not ensue.  

        You cannot call for more science while simultaneously promoting continued Prohibition including a Schedule 1 classification.

        Granny Storm Crow's MMJ Reference List-686 pages of hyperlinks in PDF format Yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

        by elkhunter on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 02:21:27 PM PDT

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      •  Bullshit (4+ / 0-)
        We are stuck with the bane of alcohol abuse, alcohol-related highway deaths, lung cancer from cigarette smoking.
        Marijuana isn't abused like alcohol. Marijuana-related highway deaths are virtually nonexistent. And I don't know if anybody's told you by now, but you don't have to smoke marijuana. It can be eaten, and more recently, it can be vaporized.
        Willy-nilly legalization of recreational MJ
        What the fuck are you talking about? I'm sorry, gentle senior citizen, but us marijuana advocates are much smarter than "willy-nilly legalization". Cut the crap.
        There won't be a "human cost" to legalizing marijuana. On the contrary, there will be a human benefit. Your preference for the status quo pushes children into a world controlled by shady people, who are eager to push any drug they can get a hold of for a quick buck. And guess what? You can post as much DEA propaganda as you want, kids are still going to buy grams and eighths.
        I know the kid nowadays days must upset you, with their blunts and hippity-hop. I'm truly sorry that you're such a square, and a grump, so I'm going to light up a big fatty just for you. Thanks for worrying about my IQ, by the way. It's doing just fine.
      •  why indeed repeat mistakes of the past? (9+ / 0-)

        great question.

        Here's another great question: What did the 18th Amendment get right that the 21st Amendment got wrong?

        Stop and think about that. In 1919, there was sufficient support (2/3 of both houses of Congress, 3/4 of the state conventions) to prohibit alcohol. In 1933--a mere 14 years later--a comparably sized supermajority was in favor of repeal.

        That's quite a fucking swing in a short period of time. It dwarfs, to take a recent example, the swing on gay marriage. (Can you imagine swinging from a federal Const. amendment prohibiting gay marriage being enacted, and then being repealed thru the same mechanism just 14 years later? I can't.)

        PS....the more you harp on "science," the more I think you're just being dishonest. It's Schedule I! Open and free inquiry has not been possible for eight decades because of a policy you explicitly support!

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