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  •  More Smoke Screens (0+ / 0-)

    I have no issue with Medical MJ.  Please stop conflating that with the argument over recreational use.

    As far as whom to trust, yes I prefer to trust the Food and Drug Administration over any private concern that would make a profit from a particular outcome (how does the DEA get dragged into this? It is the FDA that would be involved.)

    Fair points but really also supportive of my argument.  For MJ proponents to agree on bans on MJ smoking in restaurants, use by children, etc. really confirms the fact that we ARE in fact talking about actions with health consequences.  

    We have some sense of what those health consequences are with tobacco and alcohol.  The science is still out with MJ.

    How will we know where to draw the lines unless we do the science?  How is asking for that a radical thing?

    Bear in mind the pro-MJ movement is reluctant to admit any adverse consequences.  The legalization campaign is about getting votes now, deal with the science later.

    That is the essence of bad public policy making.

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 12:55:51 PM PDT

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    •  FDA is subject to political pressure. (8+ / 0-)

      There has been non-stop pressure for over 50 years to find Pot harmful.

      All they can find are some vague correlations.

      With the amount of money spewed at stopping this public health menace, surely they would have found some horrible thing that the drug causes.  They have for every single OTHER drug.

      Even the legal ones like alcohol and tobacco.

      But they still can't DEFINITIVELY point to the hazards of pot despite centuries of research and experience.  That's like saying we still need to "Teach the Controversy" on whether the earth is 6000 years old.

      Nope.  This is just years of propaganda no longer able to cope with people able to see that it's complete bullshit.

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:11:59 PM PDT

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    •  You just conflated the FDA with the DEA. (11+ / 0-)

      It's the DEA that funds study after study in which researchers desperately try to prove some long-term harm caused by cannabis, only to have their work destroyed upon peer review.  Not the FDA.

      Of course children should be protected from second hand smoke of any kind in public places.  This is no great "Ah-Ha" moment.  

      We know the impact of exposing developing lungs to burning vegetation of any kind for prolonged periods.  We don't need any additional long term studies to tell people they can's smoke in a crowded restaurant.

      Tens of millions of people have routinely smoked cannabis in the US for decades.  We've got the data.  They're not dying younger than anyone else.

      income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

      by JesseCW on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:18:49 PM PDT

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    •  Some science does exist despite our guv's (7+ / 0-)

      attempts to stifle it.

      See my sig line for details. Happy reading, there's 686 pages there.

      Then get back to us.

      Granny Storm Crow's MMJ Reference List-686 pages of hyperlinks in PDF format Yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

      by elkhunter on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 02:06:21 PM PDT

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