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  •  He didn't call her a liar and she didn't even say (0+ / 0-)

    he did and you don't know if he was screaming histerically or not.  

    People are just making these interpretations based on one persons account of an event.

    He thought the boy was a girl plain and simple and even worse didn't think an unaccompanied little girl should be in the mens room. OH NO!!!!!

    The guy made a mistake, so what if he overreacted, it's no worse than what the mother is doing.  He raised his voice at someone, big deal.  One of the people that responded to me said he would most likely have beaten the kid if he was a bit older.  Now that's fucking stupid.

    Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

    by mim5677 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 11:19:37 AM PDT

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    •  Why would you think it is "fucking stupid"? (2+ / 0-)
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      Do you not believe that people perceived as being in the wrong restroom get assaulted?

      •  Because the connection isn't there. (0+ / 0-)

        This person is making a leap based on two unrelated events and a hypothetical situation based on an embarrassingly limited amount of information.  

        Do I believe that people get assaulted for going in to the perceived wrong restroom?  Yes

        Do I believe you can predict whether a man would assault what he thought was a woman that turned out to be a man going into a restroom, based on an account of an interaction with a child and an exchange of words that didn't exceed the count of 50?  Absolutely not.

        You can't say what that man would do.  We don't have enough information about him to say for certain what his attitude is towards transgendered people and we certainly don't have enough information about him to say whether he would physically assault or even kill someone.  I don't think I am going out on a limb when I say that one needs to think more clearly about what actions they would pin on an individual they don't know or have never met.  We still call that prejudice and bigotry where I'm from...

        I don't want to live in a world where an adult getting upset as a child and raising their voice in newsworthy.  It's a disagreement over something stupid.  Nothing to write home about.    

        Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

        by mim5677 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 06:19:05 PM PDT

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        •  I don't want to live in a world where an adult (2+ / 0-)
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          JUSTIFIES someone screaming at a child.  Like you are.

          And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

          by Mortifyd on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 07:43:51 PM PDT

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          •  Agree. There's a zone of functionality (2+ / 0-)
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            one should expect in a public restroom.  That is, folks are there in the first place to pee, then they wash their hands, and then they leave.  

            There's no pool table or trampoline or art gallery.  You just pee, wash up, and head out the door.  

            Ben came in to pee.  The guy, seeing his long hair, thought he was a girl, and exploded.  In some of the accounts on the web, it's clear Ben told the man he was male, but the screamer just chased him out of the restroom and kept referring to him as an 'it.'

            I'm not getting any justification for the screaming guy.  I'm getting quite a bit of zip and clarity from Ben's mother, though.  I really like that letter.  

          •  It's not a justification (0+ / 0-)

            of his actions.  

            It's a repudiation of the people here who are going beyond rational thought in their negative attitude towards a person who can't defend themselves to the group.  

            With such limited information on what happened, you can say his behavior was bad, but you can't say why, you can't say what kind of person he is, and you certainly can't imply that he would do anything beyond what he did.

            Like I said already, a kid got yelled at and so did a mom.  If that's the worst thing that happens to them all year blog about that.

            Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

            by mim5677 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 06:10:44 AM PDT

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            •  sorry, no. (3+ / 0-)

              Too many of us actually know what it's like to have this happen and how it can escalate.  I can need to know WHY he thought it was ok to scream at a child and then a parent and refer to a boy as an "it" - I just need to know it's wrong.  

              And guess what - it's wrong.

              He thought he had the right to verbally abuse a child because in HIS mind the child was not masculine enough.  Then he thought he had the right to verbally abuse the boy's mother and insist the boy was a girl despite being told otherwise. Repeatedly.

              That is NOT acceptable behaviour.  It simply isn't.  Abuse is NEVER ok.  So why don't you stop digging before you reach China - you're supporting abuse.

              And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

              by Mortifyd on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 06:23:47 AM PDT

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            •  Nope. We can read the accounts (1+ / 0-)
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              of any news story or opinion piece we want.  The web brings us stuff 24/7.

              And we can form opinions and express them.

              Not a shred of "over-reaction" involved.

              Dig it.

    •  The letter is from this child's mother. She (2+ / 0-)
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      references screaming more than once.  

      Sounds like very valid testimony to me.  

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