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  •  Could you include (3+ / 0-)

    some analysis -- in your "market solutions" piece perhaps? -- of how we measure success? Better test scores are not the goal, imo. But they are too often the only measure used by anyone on either side of the arguments.

    Thanks for a new look at these issues.

    •  First solve the poverty issues (1+ / 0-)
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      then we can talk. There is no need for poverty of this level in modern society. When everyone is on a level playing field, then and only then can we start to make meaningful assessments about student outcomes. otherwise the tests are just used to browbeat public schools and teachers, leading to closings and layoffs. Remember, do not try to argue facts and logic with the reformers; their goal is not to improve public education, it is to destroy it. once people understand this fact everything becomes clear and the battle lines can be drawn accordingly. People are still wasting time trynig to argue with people  who have no intention of doing anything at all to help public schools. Case in point, in most states you need a license to cut hair, do nails, perform a massage, or clean someone's teeth. None of these require four years of college. But in most states there is serious talk of doing away with  formal teacher training and licensure. Chris Christie just mentioned it the other day with regard to charter schools. And yet when King Bloomberg appointed Kathy Black to run NYC schools, the former magazine editor was so untrained she had to resign as staff found it too exhausting to try to explain everything to her. Shit, even at PetSmart you gotta be trained to train the fucking dogs, they don't just let anyone do it. But kids? Forget about it, anyone can do it right?

      •  Well, if you wait (0+ / 0-)

        until there is no poverty in this country to realize that testing is out of control, nothing will change. Bad test scores from a poverty-stricken school are not a surprise. But relying on test scores to judge teachers or students is part of the problem, poverty or no.

        Test scores are too often the bottom line used to define schools, excuse all kinds of behavior and drive everything else.

        But I can rant about this as well as the next guy and would like to hear the original poster's non-ranty take on testing.

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