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    We are not doing a better job at educating poor kids.

    Poor kids in Canada, Korea, and Finland do better. Check Table #5 of the EPI study.

    We may be doing better at running schools with high concentrations of poor kids. I'll give you that.

    But why do we have schools with high concentrations of poor kids? Because whenever anyone tries to give a poor family the choice to leave, the proposal is slapped down by the Entrenched Educational Establishment.

    Our public schools are financed by local city boundaries. These boundaries are segregated by income. By locking kids within these boundaries we create segregation by income.

    1) We don't want vouchers, so the poor kids can't get to private schools.

    2) We don't want charters, so the poor kids can't switch to other public schools.

    3) Busing within the district is politically impossible.

    4) We then whine, wail and complain that (OMG) the school has a high concentration of poor kids!

    5) Rinse and repeat.

    •  We have schools with high concentrations of poor (0+ / 0-)

      kids because we have too many poor kids.

      One quarter of American kids live below the poverty line. The poverty line! That's cardboard box and couch-surfing money in most places.

      It is mathematically impossible to create American schools where at most 10% of kids live below the poverty line. The best we could possibly do is 25%.

      Over half of all American kids qualify for free or reduced lunch.

      It is mathematically impossible to create a situation where all American schools have less than half FRL with busing.

      We have whole districts in California, large ones, where 90%+ of the kids qualify for free and reduced lunch.

      If we can get every child to a school with less than 10% of kids in financial stress, we will have the best schools in the world. But the only way to do that is to make more "rich" kids and fewer poor kids.

      Firing teachers, merit pay... none of that will get those kids safe, secure housing and a quiet place to read and study.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 10:22:22 AM PDT

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    •  I have tried to be polite. (0+ / 0-)

      But you really make it hard. The best example I have is that in Washington state all students have choice on what school they wish to attend. We aren't the only state with that law. So stop making things up about "whenever anyone tries to give a poor family the choice to leave, the proposal is slapped down by the Entrenched Educational Establishment." That's BS. Pure BS.

      And by the way. We aren't complaining that the schools have a high concentration of poor kids. We are complaining that ignorant people such as yourself don't see that we work harder to protect, feed, mentor, and educate these children than anyone while you and your ilk attack us as not doing enough.

      Frankly we are complaining--not that schools have too many poor kids. We are complaining that there are too many poor kids period. You just don't get it.

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